Another TPS (throttle body) victim -

[mitt2004]

2004 AWD with 50,000 miles CRV purchased end of '04 .

Our CRV started acting up with harsh downshifts when coming to stops and sluggish acceleration.

I Did a quick search on HondaSUV, and found the probable cause - great forum folks!

Turned out to be correct. Throttle body was quoted at $800 + about $70 labor. It fixed the problem, but now the interesting part:

Our CRV is out of warranty mileage wise, but get this, our service mgr said if we bought 4 new tires from him, then he would good will the TB ($800). I said that didn't seem right, since if he could good will it, it should be independent if I spend another 400 on tires.

After 30 minutes of discussion, and me telling him I felt like he was using coercion to make more money, he agreed to go to bat with Honda on a 100% goodwill without the tire stipulation.

After all that, Honda did good will it, except labor. That makes me wonder if he knew that all along (there is a TBS about it), and just wanted another $400 dollars (along with the 800 reimbursed by Honda) as icing on the cake, and was using it as a carrot for me to take the bait.

This is the second sensor (1st was shift position sensor) to go bad on our 2 year old car after 36,000 miles, both have been partially good willed, but I am really questioning the quality in the newer Hondas, and worse yet, the integrity of the dealerships.

mitt2004

[mdugan7000]

Sounds like your service advisor gets commission on tire sales.
Contact the GM of the dealership and calmly and politely explain what he tried to do. Maybe the GM will help you out.

Honda (or other vehicle manufacturers) does not pay retail for warranty work that their dealers perform. The dealer gets the part for "free" and Honda reimburses for labor at a substantial discount.

[carl [audi]]

rather than start another thread, as i was about to do, i'll just piggyback on this one...

my wife started complaining about the symptoms for the TPS a few weeks ago, and it finally happened to me while i was driving. she got the code pulled as P0122 at autozone, and i had it diagnosed (thanks to this forum!!!) in 5 minutes.

i've read about the $800+ repair costs, so i searched around for cheaper deals online...
Hondapartsdeals.com wants $571.47 plus shipping
slhondaparts.com wants $639.76 plus shipping

part number (for the complete throttle body assy) is 06160-PPA-A10 by the way, it supercedes some previous part numbers that you may turn up.

i've dealt with slhondaparts before (got an O2 sensor from them a few months back), but i don't know anything about hondapartsdeals.com. anyone have any experience with them or any other potential sources for cheap, new, OEM parts?

i called the local dealer (John Eagle Honda) in Houston, mentioned the problem, mentioned that many people seem to be getting the repair goodwilled, and he basically gave me a "maybe" response. i hate to take the car to them and then have them deny the goodwill and have to pay the obligatory diagnostic fee even tho i already know what the problem is. i suppose the best i could do is to bring in printouts from this forum of all the people who've gotten goodwill fixes.

hers is an '03 EX with roughly 65K miles, give or take.

thoughts and/or advice? i hate to pay $600 for the part if i can get the dealer to goodwill it for $100-150 or so in labor.

edit-
does anyone know if the most recent supercession (revision) of the part solves the problem with the TPS or not?
also, has anyone performed the TB swap themselves, and if so, any procedural advice or tips?

-carl

[Racoon]

Originally Posted by carl [audi]

thoughts and/or advice? i hate to pay $600 for the part if i can get the dealer to goodwill it for $100-150 or so in labor.

Try calling Honda directly (not the dealer). The contact information is in the back of your Owners Manual.

[carl [audi]]

thanks, good idea.

was just in the process of digging out all the threads with goodwill stories. was going to print them out JIC.

[fox22]

It sounds really odd that they're replacing the throttle body rather than just the sensor. There is no way you should be paying $800 for a potentiometer I would try and reengineer it an upgrade to a digital encoder for $300

[mitt2004]

Originally Posted by fox22

It sounds really odd that they're replacing the throttle body rather than just the sensor. There is no way you should be paying $800 for a potentiometer I would try and reengineer it an upgrade to a digital encoder for $300

+1 - I wish it was that easy. Why would they take a $0.50 part and embed it into a $800 assembly? Oh yea, to make more money. Looking at the assembly, I am not sure how you would replace just the pot.

My low volume Italian Ducati has 2 TPSs (one for each cylinder), each one replacable, and well under Honda's price.

Why would they pick such fragile sensors? These are the types of things that really should not wear out.

mitt2004

[mitt2004]

Here is another thread to print

http://www.hondasuv.com/stg/viewtopi...r=asc&start=15

mitt

[mdugan7000]

Originally Posted by mitt2004

.... he agreed to go to bat with Honda on a 100% goodwill without the tire stipulation.

After all that, Honda did good will it, except labor. That makes me wonder if he knew that all along (there is a TBS about it), and just wanted another $400 dollars (along with the 800 reimbursed by Honda) as icing on the cake, and was using it as a carrot for me to take the bait....mitt2004

Curiosity here.

Did YOU ever talk to someone at Honda Corp or see any paperwork from Honda that they were covering only the parts? This is really fishy. If the rep was so sleazy as to suggest buying tires would get it covered, I would be willing to bet Honda DID cover it 100% and they charged you labor on top of it, essentially double-billing on the labor.

[mitt2004]

Originally Posted by mdugan7000

Curiosity here.

Did YOU ever talk to someone at Honda Corp or see any paperwork from Honda that they were covering only the parts?

No I didn't. This just took place this week, and I didn't want to rock the boat until the work was done.

I did try to call Honda and get an opinion on the tire bait, but the Honda Customer Rep wanted a lot of personal information just to start the process, and I didn't want the dealer to got harassed while my car was still sitting on the lift.

Knowing dealerships today, I am sure I paid labor, and Honda paid labor

mitt