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Old 11-24-2006, 03:58 PM
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Default Headrest Angle Uncomfortable

I just purchased a 2007 CRV EX L, silver with black Leather. Took it for a ride and within 20 minutes I couldn't sit in the drivers seat any longer. I had a headache from my neck being bent forward from the headrest. I have read that more women than man are having this issue. My wife is 5 foot tall and does not have her head bent forward. I am 5'7" and it is very annoying. I was wondering if it is just a problem with the rock hard leather headrests or if the cloth ones cause the neck pressure also?
I swapped a cloth headrest from a 2005 accord and it was much better on my neck. Would an accord headrest be a good altenative to the CRV headrest and how would this swap effect the Honda restraining system that one gentleman talked about?

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Old 11-24-2006, 04:53 PM
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They do seem to lean forward a little more than other ones. Have you tried taking it off and turning it around, backwards? That would seem to defeat the advantage of a headrest in an accident though.

Here's the quote from Honda:

Active Head Restraints

In a sufficient rear-end impact, the active head restraints move forward and up, helping reduce and/or prevent neck injury.
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Old 11-24-2006, 06:41 PM
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Turning the headrest around moves the headrest too far back for any protection at all, so that is not an option.

(In a sufficient rear-end impact, the active head restraints move forward and up, helping reduce and/or prevent neck injury)
From what I have read there is a metal plate inside the seat that will move the headrest forward and up in the event of a rear end collision. I would in think that another honda headrest, like one fron an accord, would provide good neck protection. Just looking for an experts opinion.The one from a 2005 accord fits and is about 1 inch norrower that the CRV headrest. The cloth one is softer that the leather so it is more comfortable. I am not sure how the graphite black form the accord will match the indigo black on the CRV.

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Old 11-24-2006, 08:59 PM
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So, if you get rear-ended, the pressure of your body moving back moves the semi-flexible metal plate securing the headrest forward. Makes sense if you think about it. I'll make a bet that any headrest that fits in that mounting would do the same thing. (but don't sue me if it doesn't)
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Old 11-26-2006, 09:02 PM
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My wife and I bought the 07 EXL this weekend while visiting the dealer on a turkey high. We were 600 miles from home visiting my parents in Arkansas. I definitely noticed that the headrest was annoying. I had to recline the seat more than normal so it wasn't pushing my head forward. I would be interested to know of a way to change this. My 2000 Jetta TDI has headrests that you can change the angle from flat to very sharp like the CRV.

Otherwise, we loved the ride home and are very excited to be new CRV owners for the first time! This site sealed the deal for me because I have to have a good forum for any vehicle that I own. Thanks for all the info!

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Old 11-26-2006, 09:47 PM
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2wheels,

Welcome to HondaSUV.com and congrats.

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Old 02-25-2007, 09:45 AM
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Is Honda R&D Team Flawed?


Headrests that are supposed to protect you from injury, cause injury every time you drive, for some, and Honda is planning to incorporate them into the majority (if not all) of its new models, according to a Honda customer service representative. Some of the current models with “problem” headrests include the 2007 Honda CRV and the Honda Civic hybrid.


Is the headrest in the 2007 Honda CRV headrest uncomfortable for you? If so, you may not want to buy a new Honda, ever again. Why? Honda is planning on incorporating this "new" headrest style into the majority (if not all) of its new models, according to a Honda customer service rep, Lilia Tafoya. (Feb. 6, 2007, 800-999-1009 x 118042)

And, unless consumers do something radical, Honda won't be making any changes to its current plan. They have already gained approval for this headrest from their R&D department as well as the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, and don’t see this headrest as a problem.

To the contrary, according to Honda’s research, this headrest helps prevent injuries during an accident.

Too bad it CAUSES injuries every time some people drive vehicles with this type of headrest.

PROBLEMS WITH HEADREST:
1. The angle. It is too steep. If you are a certain height and carry your head directly above your neck, the tip of the headrest will push your head forward so you cannot sit with your neck in alignment with the top of your back. You will have to bend your neck and tuck your chin into your chest, or sit out of alignment with your head pushed forward. This causes…

2.Insufficient support of your upper back and shoulders. If you adjust your seat (recline it slightly) to make the headrest less uncomfortable, you lose the support of the seat in your upper back. That will cause…

3. Muscular pain. The angle at which you have to sit to accommodate the headrest’s angle causes pain in the upper shoulders and neck. This has the tendency to lead to headaches and other physical problems.

4. No other headrest options are offered. If you are not comfortable with this headrest, that’s too bad. There are no other options offered. I have heard that the Accord LX headrest may be compatible, as far as fit; but Honda reps will not confirm that option. (Part number 81140SDCA02Zc or 8150906) I was told there were no other headrests made by Honda that were compatible.

5. Friction on the back of the head and less ease of movement when trying to turn your head. The fact that the tip of the headrest is in constant contact with the back of the head causes the action of turning the head to be more difficult and your reaction time is decreased. It is a simple matter of friction and trying to turn your head quickly when it is in a compromised position. Not to mention, it gives you a “rat’s nest,” which defeats the purpose of styling your hair before going to work.

WHO IS AFFECTED?
1. Shorter people. It seems that people who are below a certain height are affected more often. Shorter would be in the range of 5-foot to 5-foot-6, or thereabouts.

2. People with straight posture. If you stand and sit with your head vertically aligned with your neck, the problem seems to be worse. If you slouch, have bad posture, or have a forward placement of your head, you are not as likely to experience problems with the CRV headrest. However, after driving the CRV for a while, you might find it to be less problematic. Your body will probably become habituated and will begin to conform to the poor posture position necessitated by the shape of the seat and headrest. You will, in effect, be training your muscles to adapt to a poor posture position.

3. People with a rounder skull. If the back of your head is flatter, and the point of your head does not extend back as far, you are less likely to have problems with this headrest.

NOTES:
1. From other forums, it sounds like the Honda Civic hybrid has this same headrest problem. There are a lot of people complaining about this feature in this model, as well. (See http://www.hybridcars.com/forums/arc...06-t768.html.)

2. Using a “booster seat” to achieve great height and more comfort with the headrest makes reaching other controls more difficult. For example, it is more difficult to reach the pedals, the steering wheel and the shifter. In addition, it upsets the natural curvature of the seat, causing greater discomfort when driving for extended periods.

3. Honda reps will not connect you to R&D in order to discuss the problem. Even if you were connected, R&D will not talk to you, according to Lilia Tafoya, a customer service rep at Honda.

4. Honda reps will not give you a specific number of complaints needed in order for them to address the problem.

5. Honda reps do not know how many 2007 Honda CRVs have been sold.

6. Honda reps say that a certain, unknown percentage of new owners need to document their concerns before the situation may be addressed.

7. Honda reps will not tell you (or do not know) how many documented cases there have been.

I have a 2007 Honda CRV that I don’t even want to drive, due to its uncomfortable headrest. I was told by the salesperson that it was just a matter of adjusting the seat to make it more comfortable. (Dec. 2, 2006, Tom Gonzalez of Honda of Ocala, 352-867-1800) Upon bringing up the topic with Honda, I was told I have no other options as far as headrests are concerned. (Case#: N012007-01-2601951)

If you don’t want to see this headrest ruin the new-car purchase for a lot of other people, and it you don’t want to see the number of people with bad posture increase with every new Honda sold, make sure Honda and the public knows about this oversight in Honda’s R&D department and regulations established by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.

Write to:
American Honda Motor Co. Inc.
1919 Torrance Blvd.
Torrance, CA 90501-2746

Or call:
(800) 999-1009

Be sure to request written verification of your complaint.
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:10 AM
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Wow.


I don't even want to start. R&D department and the NHTSA didn't do any research that included shorter people? Ummmm no.
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Old 02-25-2007, 10:18 AM
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I don't even want to start. R&D department and the NHTSA didn't do any research that included shorter people? Ummmm no.
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This is yet another case of the government mandating safety improvements.
I drove one a few weeks ago and it wasn't an issue for me. I think it could be an issue for someone who keeps the seatback at a very straight up/down angle rather than slightly tilted backwards.
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I drove one a few weeks ago and it wasn't an issue for me. I think it could be an issue for someone who keeps the seatback at a very straight up/down angle rather than slightly tilted backwards.
I've driven the G3 multiple times now, it has never bothered me. mdugan is right, if you drive with your seatback at a 90 degree angle it is going to bother you, but think of how unsafe it is to drive that close to the airbag anyway.... I always laugh at those people, if the airbag goes off it would knock their head off!!!

Come on people.
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