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BigIslandV
09-08-2010, 04:22 PM
In the August 2010 Honda Service News...http://techinfo.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SN/a100800.PDF

Text copied for those on dial-up:

Rodent Deterrent Tape for Wire Harnesses
Got a vehicle with a chewed-up wire harness? Itís probably the work of rodents, and if it is . . . Honda parts stock
has just the thing to deal with it:
Rodent-Deterrent Tape (P/N 4019-2317).
After repairing or replacing the harness, wrap some of that tape around the affected area. It's got capsaicin, the
stuff that puts the fire in a bowl of five-alarm chili. This should keep any critters from causing future problems.
When wrapping the harness, use the method we refer to as half-wrapping. Each time you wrap the tape around the
harness, overlap the layer you just did by half the width of the tape.

buckyswider
09-08-2010, 05:18 PM
And don't rub your eyes while installing it!!!! :0

BigIslandV
09-08-2010, 06:07 PM
And don't rub your eyes while installing it!!!! :0:shock:
I thought about that...
Did you notice the illustration of a rodent every few inches on the tape?
This stuff might become a big seller. I wonder if anyone has generic available?
Rodents are a huge issue in Hawaii.

sgtsandman
09-08-2010, 07:13 PM
I wonder how much a roll of that costs. I might be worth installing some as a preventative measure even if you haven't had a rodent problem to date. Gen 3 owners might be very interested since it seems the majority of the posts with this problem come from them...

BigIslandV
09-08-2010, 09:31 PM
I wonder how much a roll of that costs. I might be worth installing some as a preventative measure even if you haven't had a rodent problem to date. Gen 3 owners might be very interested since it seems the majority of the posts with this problem come from them...
I have seen dozens of rodent issues at work within the last year. All kinds of vehicles. Rodents don't discriminate. They eat all wiring equally. :evil:

4hondaowner
09-09-2010, 01:28 AM
I'm going to buy a case of it and give it away as gifts at out next meet.

:shock:

Karl Johnson
09-09-2010, 05:02 AM
And don't rub your eyes while installing it!!!! :0

Or lick your fingers. ;)

Karl Johnson
09-09-2010, 05:42 AM
I wonder how much a roll of that costs. I might be worth installing some as a preventative measure even if you haven't had a rodent problem to date. Gen 3 owners might be very interested since it seems the majority of the posts with this problem come from them...

The Honda rodent-deterrent tape p/n 4019-2317, is $24 ($32 list) for a 20 meter roll at Bernardi's Honda. (http://www.bernardiparts.com/products/4019-2317.aspx) I did a search on the part number and got a hit.

While searching around I found the top tasty Honda wire (for mice anyway) is the knock sensor wiring. It seems to be true no matter the model. There are lots of stories of Elements, Pilots, Accords (http://pleasantonautorepair.net/), and Acuras with chewed through knock sensor wiring. I believe that's what's shown in the Service News bulletin.

http://pleasantonautorepair.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/new-harness-vs.-mouse-eaten-harness.jpg

There's a long, long list of mouse-chewed vehicles on Wombat News: Mice Ate My Car. (http://www.wombatnation.com/2005/01/mice-ate-my-car) I thought this one was very interesting...

Another Honda Pilot owner here who had rodent’s eat the knock sensor wire. When the lights came on I brought it in because it’s still under warranty. Was very suprised when I got a call that this wasn’t warranty, but instead a rodent had chewed the wires. I actually didn’t believe them, so I told them NOT to repair the wire (Quoted me $300) as I wanted to see this for myself (I used to be a mechanic, so I figured I’d do my own repair if not warranty). When I picked up the car, I went ahead and bought the part ($5.50) so if it WAS the actual problem I wouldn’t have to go back to the Stealership.

Before pulling anything apart I did some research and found this site (among others) that talk about this re-occuring problem. I was now starting to believe that I did have a rodent problem. In addition, the new part came with a gray tape wrapped around the wire which had a VERY interesing picture on it. The tape had a picture of a mouse the an “X” in place of the eyes (i.e. dead). So, even though Honda Customer Service is not admitting to this being a problem, or covering it under warranty, apparently they are aware of it and have tried to prevent future problems with this rodent repellant tape. . .

I then decided to start pulling parts off the engine. Found the wire pretty quick and it was definately chewed. Had to pull the intake off the engine, but luckily the Pilot had low enough miles that everything was in good shape, all the bolts came off easy, and I even managed to re-use the gaskets (good thing because they are about $90 for the set). If you are mechanically inclined, the job is not too complicated and can be completed in a couple hours with some metric sockets and wrenches.

I, too will be contacting Honda and complaining about this issue not being covered, especially since there is now PROOF that they are aware of the problem (the tape on the replacment part). I encourage everyone to do the same. Thanks for all the info on this thread and good luck to others!

Apparently the problem is more prevalent with newer models which have soy-based plastics used for wiring insulation.

The problem with the tape is that the mice/rats don't stop with the knock sensor wiring, or even the wiring harness. They'll eat anything and everything. In fact, it seems like auto manufacturers are going out of their way to make new vehicles down right tasty... (http://www.ecocenter.org/cleancar/plastics.php)

BIO-BASED MATERIALS: Automakers have stepped up their efforts to use bio-based materials that reduce petroleum use, life-cycle carbon emissions and vehicle weight.

Toyota has lead this movement by pioneering the development of an "Eco Plastic" made from sugar cane or corn, and building a pilot plant to produce it.

DaimlerChrysler increased the use of renewable materials in some vehicles by up to 98% over previous models by using natural materials such as flax and abaca fibers.

Ford has developed a soy-based foam, and will soon begin using a bio-fabric for seating.

When checking the oil and topping off the windshield washer jug, you might look carefully to see if you can detect any subtle signs of rodent habitation... (http://jalopnik.com/5182381/adventures-with-wildlife-surprise-underhood-opossum-nest)

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jalopnik/2009/03/Possum_Lodge.jpg

http://www.colorado-artist.com/crv/images/surprised-040.gif


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texgal
09-09-2010, 08:35 AM
I have a built in rodent deterrent...lol. :lol: Yep, all 20 lbs of him. :shock:

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk255/dabbad/IMG_0326-1.jpg

texgal
09-09-2010, 08:46 AM
Let's not forget his backup! :mrgreen:

http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk255/dabbad/IMG_0258.jpg

Racoon
09-09-2010, 08:52 AM
Looks like the 'backup' is keeping a close eye on that CR-V.

;)

sgtsandman
09-09-2010, 09:22 AM
There is a big push to make vehicles more environmentally friendly when it comes to recycling old parts or those parts going in the trash. I guess the rodent problem is an unintended consequence of such actions.

tac2front
09-09-2010, 09:49 AM
Here is a potential cheap fix... I hear cat urine is good for rodent deterence as well. Would spraying this in the entire engine compartment have the same effect? Side benefit is it can also protect other parts of the engine where using rat tape is not practical (like hoses, other plastic or rubber trim pieces).

4hondaowner
09-09-2010, 10:03 AM
I just checked with Musa & Burma. They are unwilling to give up any of their urine until they get fed lunch.

http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l220/4hondaowner/urinecats.jpg

:shock:

Racoon
09-09-2010, 10:14 AM
And, what would cat urine smell like when it's been heated by the engine?

:shock:

4hondaowner
09-09-2010, 10:18 AM
And, what would cat urine smell like when it's been heated by the engine?:shock:

Our Cat Monthly magazine came yesterday and I saw a scratch and sniff page regarding urine smell. Let me go and check it out. I'll put it in the microwave first before the scratch.

BigIslandV
09-09-2010, 10:23 AM
I assume the knock sensor wire set is a common item because of the location.

I have been following the trend in Europe for a several years in which the governments have been requiring manufacturers to be able to recycle a set percentage of the vehicle, etc. The manufacturers are being forced to look for ways to be "green". This is another case of government regulations being proposed with no clue as to the effects.

texgal
09-09-2010, 10:27 AM
Our Cat Monthly magazine came yesterday and I saw a scratch and sniff page regarding urine smell. Let me go and check it out. I'll put it in the microwave first before the scratch.

Why not just go scoop the litter box and stick a sample in the microwave?

;)

4hondaowner
09-09-2010, 10:43 AM
Why not just go scoop the litter box and stick a sample in the microwave?;)

I emptied both litter boxes this morning around 5:00AM after my wife went to work and before the trash came. I just checked, no urine cakes in either box right now. I'll report back after I find a cake and microwave it.

:-P

'Curly Q Links'
09-09-2010, 03:58 PM
Here is a potential cheap fix... I hear cat urine is good for rodent deterrence as well. Would spraying this in the entire engine compartment have the same effect? Side benefit is it can also protect other parts of the engine where using rat tape is not practical (like hoses, other plastic or rubber trim pieces).

The term 'unsafe workplace' comes to mind.

Don't open your hood to strangers (or strays) .

tac2front, are you a smoker, or perhaps you've never been around cats?

:shock: PHEEEEW !!!!! :shock:

I can hear (smell) your resale value plummeting from here...

:idea:

tac2front
09-15-2010, 11:27 AM
And, what would cat urine smell like when it's been heated by the engine?

:shock:

Not sure but it would probably make a great deterrent if you have other pests around - maybe alligators if you loved in Florida.

tac2front
09-15-2010, 11:32 AM
The term 'unsafe workplace' comes to mind.

Don't open your hood to strangers (or strays) .

tac2front, are you a smoker, or perhaps you've never been around cats?

:shock: PHEEEEW !!!!! :shock:

I can hear (smell) your resale value plummeting from here...

:idea:

My CRV is so old that resale value can only go up (few more years it may be a classic 8)). Plus I go through great lengths to save money on repairs or repair avoidance. Yes cat urine is pretty foul - but it sure beats having rats running around the garage (or worse inside any part of my CRV).

Carbuff2
09-16-2010, 05:35 AM
Could the cure be worse than the disease in this case?
:shock:

Ewwww....

vrcowner
09-16-2010, 09:26 AM
this stuff is $40 at my local Honda dealer. probably too expensive for me as preventative maintenance.

4hondaowner
09-16-2010, 09:46 AM
Could the cure be worse than the disease in this case?
:shock:

Ewwww....

I think if I lived where my CR-V was stored close to rats or other vermin, I'd have a whole lot of traps set up on the floor or surrounding area in an attempt to stop them from even getting close to my CR-V, or other Honda.

If one is spraying a substance on wiring, damage has already been done. It's a simple case of reacting instead of acting.

'Curly Q Links'
09-16-2010, 10:14 AM
Or at least install something that will repel the suckers...

Yard Gard | Electronic Pest Repellent | Guard Your Yard (http://www.bird-x.com/yardgard-p-40.html)

Traps are good (even fun) but if you only miss one rodent, it's trouble. MMmmmm Soy Insulation !!

:idea:

4hondaowner
09-16-2010, 10:24 AM
Or at least install something that will repel the suckers...

Yard Gard | Electronic Pest Repellent | Guard Your Yard (http://www.bird-x.com/yardgard-p-40.html)

Traps are good (even fun) but if you only miss one rodent, it's trouble. MMmmmm Soy Insulation !!

:idea:


I left that thought for you Curly!

Good post...

BigIslandV
09-16-2010, 04:40 PM
I think if I lived where my CR-V was stored close to rats or other vermin, I'd have a whole lot of traps set up on the floor or surrounding area in an attempt to stop them from even getting close to my CR-V, or other Honda...We (actually the neighbor's) do have a rat issue because they have a large avocado tree that is in season. The fruit is also bringing in another neighbors dog and a wild pig is running around, munching on ripe avocados on a daily basis.
Do you realize what comes out of the back end of any animal that has been excessively feeding on avocados?
Hint: don't walk barefoot in the yard. :shock:

4hondaowner
09-16-2010, 04:58 PM
Do you realize what comes out of the back end of any animal that has been excessively feeding on avocados?

Hint: don't walk barefoot in the yard. :shock:

Pictures, please...

Racoon
09-16-2010, 05:14 PM
Pictures, please...

Why? So I can delete the pictures after puking on my keyboard?

:confused:

4hondaowner
09-16-2010, 05:17 PM
Why? So I can delete the pictures after puking on my keyboard?:confused:

You can do it to yours.

I just bought a new keyboard and I will refrain from such activity.

BigIslandV
09-16-2010, 07:43 PM
Pictures, please...It ain't a "solid" and the color blends in well with the green grass....

sgtsandman
09-16-2010, 07:47 PM
It seems a feline friend or two would be the most effective means of pest control. Unless allergies are an issue. Our neighborhood has at least three. There are no rodent problems here.

BigIslandV
09-16-2010, 11:52 PM
It seems a feline friend or two would be the most effective means of pest control. Unless allergies are an issue. Our neighborhood has at least three. There are no rodent problems here.We do have feral cats in the area as well as mongoose. The rats live in the trees and are nocturnal and the introduced mongoose would eat the rats, but they are daytime critters. For $40, I am thinking the rodent tape is a bargain as far as prevention goes.

'Curly Q Links'
09-17-2010, 06:37 AM
For $40, I am thinking the rodent tape is a bargain as far as prevention goes.

Why not find the source of the tape rather than buying it from a HONDA dealership?


:idea:

'Curly Q Links'
09-17-2010, 06:53 AM
......After repairing or replacing the harness, wrap some of that tape around the affected area. It's got capsaicin, the stuff that puts the fire in a bowl of five-alarm chili. This should keep any critters from causing future problems.

I don't know.....Rodents are very adaptable... I wouldn't be surprised to see them develop a 'taste' for capsaicin, especially if there was a source of BEER close by. :shock:

When I was a teenager, working at the camera department, I found a mouse that had chewed through the box and eaten the better part of a roll of 35mm Kodachrome. It was new, undeveloped, with all the great-tasting chemicals still on it. Mouse was dead, but appeared to be smiling.

:-P:-P:-P:-P