Wind Noise at high speeds

[designer76]

Hi has anyone noticed a wind noise on drivers side window when travelling on the highway?
I have notified the dealership, and they will look at it next week.

[dudeodude]

I have noticed that too -it comes after you hit 60mph
Let us know what the dealer says :roll:

[dudeodude]

I have noticed that too -it comes after you hit 60mph
Let us know what the dealer says :roll:

[sstackho]

I do have a bit of noise from the driver's side that I was curious about.

What I am hearing may just be overall wind noise - I may just hear the driver's side because that is where I am sitting.

Please let us know what the dealer has to say.

[bsftong]

Add me to the list. It seems to be more of a high pitched/whistling noise for myself.

If anyone resolved this issue, would you mind advising me of the solution? Thanks in advance!

[dudeodude]

OK I think I solved the problem. It really is the weatherstrip on the driver door. I bought some weatherstrip from Autozone and installed it opposite of the current one - what a difference - now at 60mph all I hear is the fan working on low 8)
The original weatherstrip seems to be very loose - in between two clips it is not attached or glued and if it doesn't press firmly on the door at higher speeds can open a little bit which will relate to outside noise entering the cabin.

[bsftong]

OK I think I solved the problem. It really is the weatherstrip on the driver door. I bought some weatherstrip from Autozone and installed it opposite of the current one - what a difference - now at 60mph all I hear is the fan working on low 8)
The original weatherstrip seems to be very loose - in between two clips it is not attached or glued and if it doesn't press firmly on the door at higher speeds can open a little bit which will relate to outside noise entering the cabin.

Congrats on fixing it! Judging from what you're saying, it probably won't make a difference if they replace the weatherstrip with another OEM one?

Would you have any pictures to show us what exactly you did? I'm some what lost.

[bsftong]

Has anyone noticed it on the passenger side then? I assume the weatherstrips are attached the same for driver and passenger side...

[dudeodude]

I can post some images but I am having troubles upoading them. Mods plese note.

[dudeodude]

Congrats on fixing it! Judging from what you're saying, it probably won't make a difference if they replace the weatherstrip with another OEM one?


I guess you are right - the OEM weatherstrip, if defective on the drivers side and replaced with another one wont probably make the problem disappear completely, but it is also possible that the driver side door has slightly different design than the pass.door and this makes all the difference. A new weatherstrip can have small changes in the design so it fits more tight.

Also after I did that there is noticeable change in the sound the door makes after you close it.

[dudeodude]

Has anyone noticed it on the passenger side then? I assume the weatherstrips are attached the same for driver and passenger side...

As explained above and if you open the rear doors and look in the front part of the door you can see gaps between the strip and the door frame

[bsftong]

thanks, dudeodude.

I'll check it out today...first and only day this month I don't go to work and get off work when its dark out!

[dudeodude]

i tried to add the pics again

[bsftong]

I finally brought the V in today, they replaced the weatherstrip on the driver side door, it is noticeably quieter but it doesn't completely eliminate the noise.

I'd suggest whoever else has the problem to take it in to the dealer since it's under warranty.

[bsftong]

After a few days, the noise started again. I guess I'll have to do what dudeodude did.

[jameskh]

I took my 2004 to the dealership for the 30K service...and complained about the leakage from the driver's side door. They said that the weatherstrip was dry. They applied lubrication and now the leakage seems to be gone.
Hope this will fix the problem.
James

[stevecli]

I noticed the wind noise kicking in at 60mph +/- right away. Driver's side appeared much noisier than the passenger side. Brought it in to the dealer a few days ago. They acknowledged the wind noise, said they adjusted the seal, but their efforts were ineffective. Still the same noise.

Anyone find a dealer that actually corrected this?

Thanks,
Steve

2007 Honda CR-V EX-L AWD

[JD01]

I have the same noise (60mph) on the Passenger side.

I'm trying to isolate the problem. Anyone have any luck fixing this?

['Curly Q Links']

For the Gen 1 readers of this thread, there is a TSB about the noisy weatherstrip on the top of the windshield, and it can be fixed DIY:

http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/crv/x98-068e.pdf

Keep in mind that the doors (on all cars and trucks) are adjustable for snugness, and sometimes that's all it takes to kill some of the noises and air leakage problems.

:shock:

[bsftong]

For the Gen 1
Keep in mind that the doors (on all cars and trucks) are adjustable for snugness, and sometimes that's all it takes to kill some of the noises and air leakage problems.

:shock:


Do you have a link to do a DIY on this? That sounds like a solution that will quite possibly fix this issue.

[stevecli]

This is the best DIY I've found so far. Honda should take notes.

http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?page_number=6&article_id=533699 (http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-article?page_number=6&article_id=533699)

[ajk]

Keep in mind that the doors (on all cars and trucks) are adjustable for snugness, and sometimes that's all it takes to kill some of the noises and air leakage problems.

:shock:

When you say adjustable, is this adjustable by the dealer or is this something I can do myself? (I am not mechanically savvy). I noticed a bit of wind noise on the diver's side when I go above 30 miles an hour.

[mankhan]

has anyone been able to solve this wind noise problem on his v. i installed weatherstrips everywhere on drivers and passanger door but no use. Any solution to this terrible annoying wind noise.

[JD01]

has anyone been able to solve this wind noise problem on his v. i installed weatherstrips everywhere on drivers and passanger door but no use. Any solution to this terrible annoying wind noise.

I found the problem. I took it in and had Honda try to isolate the problem. After a day without the car, it took 10 seconds to hear the noise at 60mph after I drove it off the lot. They have no clue.

I then spent the next 40 minutes isolating the problem.

For my CRV this high pitched wind noise at 60mph (or with a heavy cross wind) is coming from the joint where the front passenger side panel meets the roof coming down between the windshield and the front door. Send me your email address and I'll shoot you a picture. If you put a little piece of tape or foam in between the joint, the noise goes away. Unbelievable.????

That's for my CRV anyway. No wind noise:D

[ajk]

I then spent the next 40 minutes isolating the problem.

For my CRV this high pitched wind noise at 60mph (or with a heavy cross wind) is coming from the joint where the front passenger side panel meets the roof coming down between the windshield and the front door. Send me your email address and I'll shoot you a picture. If you put a little piece of tape or foam in between the joint, the noise goes away. Unbelievable.????

That's for my CRV anyway. No wind noise:D

How did you isolate it? Tape up different portion and drove until there was no noise?

I would love to see a picgture, I bet everyone would - this forum allows you post pictures (either hosted or they will host it for you). The option to post is right under the posting window.

If you rather email it, I'll send you my email, but I think everyone would be interested in seeing it.

[mankhan]

please send me pic at mankhan67@yahoo.com, really appreciate that.

[JD01]

I have pics but can not download for some reason. Even at low resolution, the system says the pics are too big.

Email me and I'll send direct.

[mdugan7000]

Use something like photobucket, imageshack, etc, to host the pictures. Then you can use a thumbnail in your post which links to the full-size one on the free hosting service.

[JD01]

Let's try this

[ajk]

Excellent, thank you! Very helpful - the spot it different from I imagined so seeing was exteremely helpful.

What type of weather stripping did you use? What is holding it in place?

[JD01]

Hey, Right now I just have a thin piece of tape wedged in the joint/crack. I plan to eventually put some clear silicone or some type of stripping. Let me know if this works for your CRV? J

[mankhan]

I tried today as you advised and put a thin tape on the joint plus i did weather striping in all four doors, it has minimized the noise but not totally finished. i am getting wind noise which starts as soon as i touch 100KM but again it depensds how much air speed and fluctuation of air and air resistance is tehre outside the v. Anywas, its really annoying, please all work on this issue that from where this air is leaking inside the cabin and post your experiences, really appreciate that.

[ELP_JC]

Hey guys, it's great to try to minimize unwanted sounds inside our cars, but let me tell you that after having several of the quietest cars on the road (Lexus LS was the quietest), the V ('07) is fairly quiet as it is. It's quieter than our '04 MDX was (and definitely more solid feeling), so it's quite an achievement IMO.
It's hard to compare wind noises, but I can bet you cash money the great majority of the wind noise heard is THRU THE GLASS. One of the best ways to quiet a car, and not surprisingly one of the most expensive, is with thicker side glass. That's what the quiet cars have. And the high-end luxury cars even have the double-paned variety.
I might try clear silicone on the seam indicated above, just for kicks, but I won't bother after that. And yes, I always use a special (non-silicone) rubber conditioner for seals, so they never dry up and cause problems. Take care.
JC

[sleeksilver]

I've only seen one car manuf. that uses double panes and that is Mercedes on the W140's. They don't do that anymore.

I would like to see someone that has a metered test saying that the new CR-V is quiter than the G1 MDX.

[mankhan]

Dear ELP JC your comments are quite considerable and belive me that this was first of my thoughs that air is leaking from window glass as it is not airtight with the upper rubber when the door glass is completely closed so what can we do? Is there any rubber strips which we can put on the window glass so that to have air tight closure of glass with door frame?

[rlee]

There's bound to be some wind noise. However, when it's raining, I hear water dripping inside the door. Anyone experiences this?

[mankhan]

Dont let this thread be dead. Guys say something, any experience to finish this wind noise. share your experiences.

[nameeri]

I put duct tape over the seam on the pillar just near the rear view mirrors and it made a big difference in the amount of wind noise I was getting. While driving at 80mph on the freeway, without the tape the noise was considerable and annoying. With the tape in place, the noise was far less and barely noticeable. It was still there, but barely noticeable.

Now i have to come up with a way to make a permanent fix for it since the duct tape on the outside looks silly.

[Racoon]

Now i have to come up with a way to make a permanent fix for it since the duct tape on the outside looks silly.
I'm not aware of anywhere in the US where it's legal to drive 80 MPH on a public road. Have you tried slowing down at least a little closer to legal speeds? And as another benefit, you'll get better fuel economy if you slow down.

JM2C

[4hondaowner]

I'm not aware of anywhere in the US where it's legal to drive 80 MPH on a public road. Have you tried slowing down at least a little closer to legal speeds? And as another benefit, you'll get better fuel economy if you slow down.

I knew that reply was coming from Mr. Racoon.

:shock:

[badgerland]

I put duct tape over the seam on the pillar just near the rear view mirrors

:shock: You put what over your new 07CR-V???? This sounds strangely like a mythbusters episode. What happened to the sticky stuff when you pulled it off?

[nameeri]

It was only on to help isolate the location of the wind noise. I then took it off, washed and waxed ;)

[nameeri]

I'm not aware of anywhere in the US where it's legal to drive 80 MPH on a public road. Have you tried slowing down at least a little closer to legal speeds? And as another benefit, you'll get better fuel economy if you slow down.

JM2C

Racoon, in southern California, EVERYONE drives 80 on the freeways. Its common place. Most CHP will not pull you over if you are driving 80 on the freeway. Well, as long as you are moving with the speed of traffic they will not pull you over. If you are the only one going 80 then you are in trouble. But yeah, come out and visit here sometime and you will see what I am talking about. And the wind noise at that speed really sucks :(

[Racoon]

Racoon, in southern California, EVERYONE drives 80 on the freeways. Its common place. Most CHP will not pull you over if you are driving 80 on the freeway.
I grew up in So Cal and lived there for more than 30 years, including a period of time when I lived in Upland and commuted to Downtown LA for work (literally the corner of Crenshaw and Wilshire). I still have a lot of family in So Cal, and visit there every couple of years. In fact, my next visit will be in July.

If you're doing 80 MPH on the freeway in So Cal it's either: a) 3 AM on a Wednesday morning (no bar traffic to speak off), b) you have a long line of CHP cars behind you with their lights on, c) or you're dreaming that you're Charlton Heston's character in "The Omega Man" and aren't actually doing 80 MPH, and are in fact home asleep in bed. There's a reason people jokingly refer to the So Cal freeway system as "the worlds largest parking lot", and it's not because you can drive 80 MPH.

And in case you didn't know, Atlanta makes the same claim to the "need" to drive 80+ MPH on the freeway or get run over.

I've driven both places, and many more. My job requires a lot of travel. No where that I've been "requires" you to speed. I don't speed, especially when I'm driving a rental car and am far from home, and I've never been run over.

No one is forcing you to drive 80 MPH.
If you drive 80 MPH it's because you choose to do so.

And there is still no where I know of that it's legal to drive 80 MPH on public roads in the US.

JM2C

[alirose4]

...And there is still no where I know of that it's legal to drive 80 MPH on public roads in the US...

Texas Raises Rural Speed Limits to 80 MPH
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197072,00.html

Sorry but I had to google it :)

[Racoon]

Texas Raises Rural Speed Limits to 80 MPH
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,197072,00.html

Sorry but I had to google it :)
Excerpts from that link...

Thursday, May 25, 2006 - More speed signs will be changed in the next few days in 10 mostly rural counties in West Texas: a 432-mile stretch of Interstate 10 between El Paso and Kerrville, and 89 miles of Interstate 20 between Monahans and the I-10 interchange at the cusp of the Jeff Davis Mountains.

Mike Behrens, executive director of the state transportation agency, said the new speed limit will affect only a fraction of the state's 70,000 highway miles.

The affected roads are mostly straight shots through the West Texas flatlands that get relatively little traffic.


As for those high gasoline costs, the Department of Energy says that gas mileage decreases rapidly after 60 mph. The government estimates that every 5 mph over 60 is like paying an extra 20 cents per gallon for gas.So 521 miles or 0.74% of the state highways in Texas now have a legal 80 MPH speed limit.

The Texas law limits speeds above 75 MPH to counties with populations of 15 people per square mile or less. Daytime truck limits are capped at 70 mph, and nighttime speed limits remain 65 mph for all vehicles.

I've driven through West Texas a couple of times. I saw more cows than I saw people.

521 miles. I'm going to drive farther than that on June 23rd on my way to the OBX/Key West outing, and I won't be going faster than the posted limit.

:)

[dudeodude]

In Montana there are roads with no speed limit posted.

Even at speed limit of 65 the wind noise is ANNOYING and it should not be there, not even in the cheapest built car...

All over Europe there is no speed limit on highways and european owners complain from that windnoise too...

I've driven through West Texas a couple of times. I saw more cows than I saw people.

^How many times have you seen people running around on the highways in the more populated areas? I would be more concerned for the poor cows and speeding cars - they can't protect themselfs that well

It is almost never high speed that causes accidents or at least accidents are caused more often from idiots driving with 50mph in the left lane and doing 5 other things then from speeding drivers that are concentrated in the road ahead of them.

You can drive fast and still be very very safe. Just don't tell me that I can't enjoy faster ride because of Honda screwing their customers.
Oh, wait..we can solve the wind noise problem by limiting the speed on all new CR-Vs to 59mph - no wind noise, no accidents, outstanding fuel economy...Le's start a petition..:)))
:)[/QUOTE]

[mdugan7000]

In Montana there are roads with no speed limit posted.

Even at speed limit of 65 the wind noise is ANNOYING and it should not be there, not even in the cheapest built car...

All over Europe there is no speed limit on highways and european owners complain from that windnoise too...

I've driven through West Texas a couple of times. I saw more cows than I saw people.

^How many times have you seen people running around on the highways in the more populated areas? I would be more concerned for the poor cows and speeding cars - they can't protect themselfs that well

It is almost never high speed that causes accidents or at least accidents are caused more often from idiots driving with 50mph in the left lane and doing 5 other things then from speeding drivers that are concentrated in the road ahead of them.

You can drive fast and still be very very safe. Just don't tell me that I can't enjoy faster ride because of Honda screwing their customers.
Oh, wait..we can solve the wind noise problem by limiting the speed on all new CR-Vs to 59mph - no wind noise, no accidents, outstanding fuel economy...Le's start a petition..:)))
:)[/QUOTE]I would sure like to know what you consider "all over Europe" that doesn't have strict speed limits?

[Racoon]

In Montana there are roads with no speed limit posted.

All over Europe there is no speed limit on highways and european owners complain from that windnoise too...
Montana changed the "unlimited" speed limit law in 1999. Current max speed limit in Montana is 75 MPH.

You mean the German Autobahn? Which only has 'unlimited' speeds when you're out in the country, but speed limits near all cities?
How many times have you seen people running around on the highways in the more populated areas? I would be more concerned for the poor cows and speeding cars - they can't protect themselfs that well
The cows are fenced in. They don't wander across the highways.

It is almost never high speed that causes accidents or at least accidents are caused more often from idiots driving with 50mph in the left lane and doing 5 other things then from speeding drivers that are concentrated in the road ahead of them.

You can drive fast and still be very very safe.
High speed may not be a direct cause of an accident, but someone driving too fast for the road or traffic conditions, or driving faster then their own reaction time may cause an accident. The issue with higher speeds is that an accident at a higher speed is far more likely to be fatal than the same accident at a slower speed.

Another quote from that article about the Texas 80 MPH limit...
"This will result in more deaths. The research is pretty clear about that," said Russ Rader, spokesman for the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. "You get someplace faster but at what cost?"Go do some research about the increased highway fatalities in the period after the US goverment repealed the 55 MPH speed limit.

Just don't tell me that I can't enjoy faster ride because of Honda screwing their customers.

Oh, wait..we can solve the wind noise problem by limiting the speed on all new CR-Vs to 59mph - no wind noise, no accidents, outstanding fuel economy...Le's start a petition..
I did't say you couldn't enjoy a "faster ride" and I don't think Honda is screwing you at all. If there's excessive wind noise problem then have it fixed. There were some issues with early 2nd Gen CR-Vs and driver door wind noise. And there's a way to fix it.

But complaining about wind noise at 80 MPH that goes away when you slow down to is just silly. The dealer is not going to be able to help much, because they won't be able to recreate the problem. And if you tell them it happens above 80 MPH they're probably going to be unwilling to help you, since they can't test it (legally) after "fixing" it.

If there's excessive wind noise at legal highway speeds then take it to the dealer to get it fixed.

JM2C

[dudeodude]

If there's excessive wind noise at legal highway speeds then take it to the dealer to get it fixed.

JM2C[/QUOTE]

Well somehow all dealer ears become insensitive when you mention noise problems. The key word is excessive - for a Honda repair tech it seems that the mening of excessive is noise in a 89 Plymouth van without weatherstrip. To me excessive would be a noise that it can be still heard if you have the volume control on the radio >5. If that is not screwing then it is something very close....

Yes in Europe they have speed limits but it is not uncommon (just pick a country) at all for people to drive with 140km/h and you will very rarely see people driving with the speed limit in the left lane which makes them more disciplined than north american drivers and I guess safer

Also no speed limit can prevent you from being unsafe driver, when they increased the 55mph speed limit the number of accidents went up MAYBE because:
-with every year the number of cars on the road increases,
-cell phones weren't that popular back then as they became after,
-people started driving really fast

Do you think you will have better chances of survival if you drive with 55 and a sycko doing 100 slams in you? Usually such people will drive over speed limit no matter what the speed limit is and if law enforcment is doing their job they should be putting out of the roads the same people with a speed limit of 55 or 65 or even 75

[Racoon]

Well somehow all dealer ears become insensitive when you mention noise problems. The key word is excessive - for a Honda repair tech it seems that the mening of excessive is noise in a 89 Plymouth van without weatherstrip. To me excessive would be a noise that it can be still heard if you have the volume control on the radio >5. If that is not screwing then it is something very close....
Have you actually taken your CR-V to the dealer, or are you just assuming they'll refuse to fix the noise problem?

And if the dealer didn't help you did you call Honda directly? The contact information is in the back of your Owners Manual.

Yes in Europe they have speed limits but it is not uncommon (just pick a country) at all for people to drive with 140km/h and you will very rarely see people driving with the speed limit in the left lane which makes them more disciplined than north american drivers and I guess safer
Probably because its illegal to drive in the left lane if traffic behind you is moving faster than you are, and it's enforced over there. And driver's training is actual comprehensive training that you have to pass, not just show up and not fall asleep like many US driving classes?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and you have actual experience driving the autobahn in Europe? How many miles have you driven on the autobahn?

Also no speed limit can prevent you from being unsafe driver, when they increased the 55mph speed limit the number of accidents went up MAYBE because:
-with every year the number of cars on the road increases,
-cell phones weren't that popular back then as they became after,
-people started driving really fast
I didn't say the number of accidents increased, I said the number of fatal accidents increased after the 55 MPH speed limit was increased to 65 MPH. While it's a bit of a PR statement, it's also the truth: Speed Kills.

Do you think you will have better chances of survival if you drive with 55 and a sycko doing 100 slams in you? Usually such people will drive over speed limit no matter what the speed limit is and if law enforcment is doing their job they should be putting out of the roads the same people with a speed limit of 55 or 65 or even 75
You're right, there are some total idiots out there that do stupid things. And nothing is going to protect me from them if fate declares that they're on the same road I am.

Does their being idiots give you or I the right to also be an idiot and drive at an unsafe speed?

I'm not a lemming. I don't do things because everyone else is doing them.

JM2C

[Ch0daB0y]

Offtopic

While it might be true that some people in Europe (I can mostly comment on the drivers in Finland) drive closer to 140km/h on the highway, I wouldn't suggest it. Our local speeding fines are directly proportionate to your past years income. For some absurd ticket amounts check this page out. http://www.trafficticketsecrets.com/speeding-ticket-news-finnish.html

Back to the issue of the OP

I've been driving with my V for a couple of days now and the wind noise is the only thing I can say has popped up as anything resembling annoying. My old BMW doesn't display this same feature, but compensates with a lot more engine noise and crap load more tire noise.

Gotta try the tips from this thread and post my comments later.

-CB

[nameeri]

Getting back on topic, Ive laid down some black silicone adhesive to the parts of the weather stripping on both the driver and front passenger doors. The pics in some of the earlier posts indicate where the weather stripping is loose near the front part of the door. After applying the adhesive, there was some minor alleviation of noise, but not as much as when the tape was put over the A-pillar gap. I will try to find something to fill in that gap so wind noise cannot intrude there. I will report my findings once that is done.

[dudeodude]

Getting back on topic, Ive laid down some black silicone adhesive to the parts of the weather stripping on both the driver and front passenger doors. The pics in some of the earlier posts indicate where the weather stripping is loose near the front part of the door. After applying the adhesive, there was some minor alleviation of noise, but not as much as when the tape was put over the A-pillar gap. I will try to find something to fill in that gap so wind noise cannot intrude there. I will report my findings once that is done.

Be careful though when sealing gaps that are engineered to let water run freely... You might find yourselves swimming while driving your new V :)

[sleeksilver]

1. In Montana there are roads with no speed limit posted.

Even at speed limit of 65 the wind noise is ANNOYING and it should not be there, not even in the cheapest built car...

2. All over Europe there is no speed limit on highways and european owners complain from that windnoise too...

3. It is almost never high speed that causes accidents or at least accidents are caused more often from idiots driving with 50mph in the left lane and doing 5 other things then from speeding drivers that are concentrated in the road ahead of them.



1. Montana now does have speed limits. There was a HUGE article written up by I think it was Car and Driver a while back saying that it was one of the biggest cash cows in American history. The rules to that limit applied to almost nothing, even in a vehicle suited for high speed driving (i.e. Diablo) would still be pulled over for going 100mph.

2. This is not true. The autobahn in Germany has small sections where there is no speed limit, and the number of these areas is shrinking as traffic increases. I have spent well over two years of my life in Germany so I would know. There are limited amounts of roads with an unrestricted speed limit.

3. There is some truth in this statement :)

[dudeodude]

Sorry for the long reply


Have you actually taken your CR-V to the dealer, or are you just assuming they'll refuse to fix the noise problem?

And if the dealer didn't help you did you call Honda directly? The contact information is in the back of your Owners Manual.

Yes I have taken all my 3 Hondas to 3 different dealers in the area. The stories are the same - first NPF, second meeting with the service manager, next call to Honda that start running after dealers lazy incompetent bums and after that fixing the problem. While at that, for every problem fixed I will get either a broken plastic cover, misalighned car, torqued lugs to the point where they strip the wheel and dont sit tightly so the wheel starts wobbling, one time after parking brake adjustment I got the car back with rear brakes dragging so badly that I couldn't start rolling from the dealers lot......
I think the problem nowadays is that there is severe lack of competent technicians (a modern mechanic needs ~7 years education and at the end the most he/she can make is not more than 100k/year - who would go for that???) so all you can do is watch how an engineering marvels such as k24 and R18 engines or Accords rear suspension get wasted in the hands of people that are proficient ONLY in repairing cars that are now 20 years old.
Ask your mechanics how often they should change the ATF filter and enjoy the faces they will make.........
And lets calculate ...if for every problem I have to drive at least 3 times back and forth to the dealer (20miles away) then my effective fuel efficiency will be in the mid teens instead of 28-30mpg...

Probably because its illegal to drive in the left lane if traffic behind you is moving faster than you are, and it's enforced over there. And driver's training is actual comprehensive training that you have to pass, not just show up and not fall asleep like many US driving classes?

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding, and you have actual experience driving the autobahn in Europe? How many miles have you driven on the autobahn?

Before I came to North America 10 years ago I was driving for 12 years in Europe (~60k miles), maybe it is not Excessive experience but I have some:))

I didn't say the number of accidents increased, I said the number of fatal accidents increased after the 55 MPH speed limit was increased to 65 MPH. While it's a bit of a PR statement, it's also the truth: Speed Kills.

I would say again speed doesn't kill, the improper use of speed kills. If for anything speed is good for longevity (think of space travel - the astronauts traveling at crazy speeds come back on earth actually younger :))))

You're right, there are some total idiots out there that do stupid things. And nothing is going to protect me from them if fate declares that they're on the same road I am.

Does their being idiots give you or I the right to also be an idiot and drive at an unsafe speed?

define unsafe speed please (but you better don't otherwise this tread wont finish...)

I'm not a lemming. I don't do things because everyone else is doing them.

Good for you, we are the same then - I don't pay attention to the honking when I am driving on I-95 towards NYC with 55 (which happens to be the speed limit) and I don't care that 99% of the drivers pass me doing 70.
But sometimes to avoid an idiots I have to drive with 80 and thats the moment when I do not want the car to sound like an airplane taking off.....

JM2C

[dudeodude]

found something in NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/22/automobiles/22SAFETY.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

[tractorboy]

These are some reviews from UK CRV drivers....maybe someone has a copy of this TSB if it indeed exists :?:

http://www.whatcar.co.uk/car-review-readers.aspx?MA=14&RT=898&Submit1=GO



There is a Technical Service Bulletin from Honda about the wind noise - I've been shown the document by my dealer - get your dealer to check.

I had/have the same problem as you which was partially fixed by the insertion of soundproofing material in the scuttle, I believe. The wind noise still exists to some extent and in speaking to my dealer earlier this week he advised that Honda have now confirmed that a wind noise problem exists and have indicated that the mirror should be removed and re-sealed with a particular type of filler.

Mine is due to be repaired next Thursday, together with another "Honda Aware" fault of creaking rear springs, which was apparent from new. Partially fixed at the moment with "Copper Slip" applied by dealer.

[nameeri]

Anyone else know if there is actually a TSB on this issue? If so please provide the TSB number! Thanks!

[mankhan]

Any remedy for the wind noise so far????

[mankhan]

Hello guys, wakeup, has anyone did something to fix wind noise problem

[tyler heredia]

OK I think I solved the problem. It really is the weatherstrip on the driver door. I bought some weatherstrip from Autozone and installed it opposite of the current one - what a difference - now at 60mph all I hear is the fan working on low 8)
The original weatherstrip seems to be very loose - in between two clips it is not attached or glued and if it doesn't press firmly on the door at higher speeds can open a little bit which will relate to outside noise entering the cabin.

mine is loose on my 05 it so bad that cold air comes in in the winter how can i fix this?

[dudeodude]

Just buy a new one from online dealers (~$40) and replace it - it is held in place by small plastic clips - you will know how to install the new one once you rip apart the old one. 5 min DIY