Q Re: Rear Diff. Problem. Now what?

[vexdan]

I have the rear differential problem. Whenever it's cold the car vibrates for about 10 minutes until it's warmed up. When I do the circle test it grinds in the back. The question is this: what should I do about it? I'm leasing the car so I don't give a h00t one way or the other if it's fixed or not. What I am concerned with, however, is whether this poses any type of safety issue and/or potential for a serious mechanical failure farther down the road? Also, since this affects the rear differential, will I have issues when it starts snowing? That would really make me angry.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? Simply put, I'm in no mood to go to the dealer and complain and have them tell me there's nothing wrong. Same thing with Honda.

Needless to say, this is the first and last Honda I will ever buy. My girlfriend's Dad swore up and down how good they were, and how my Hyundai Tucson was a crappy car with no resale value. Well, 15k miles on the Tucson later, there's nary a peep. And I'm still covered by the 10 year / 120k warranty. Barely 500 miles on the CR-V and there's already mechanical problems, the projected MPG couldn't be more off, the car is generally uncomfortable, the CD player can't even scroll MP3 song names, and it takes a good 10 minutes for warm air to come in after I turn it on in the morning. All in all? A loser. This kind of me reminds me how Japanese cars used to be considered crap. Yes, there was a point in time during which Toyota and Honda were the laughing stock of the American automotive world. Then, due mostly to their reliability, they took over. I think that's on the decline. Hyundai is challenging them, seriously. In 10 years the tables will be turned. Wait and see.

['Curly Q Links']

"Barely 500 miles on the CR-V" ? Use your warranty for the noises.

SEARCH 'Dual and pump'

Read your manual about how to warm it up. I get heat in 3.5 minutes with my '97 even at -30 C.


:idea:

[vexdan]

Use your warranty for the noises. SEARCH 'Dual and pump'

Read your manual about how to warm it up. I get heat in 3.5 minutes with my '97 even at -30 C.


:idea:

I would use my warranty but I'd rather not go down there and have them just tell me not to worry or drain the fluid or some crap.

-30 C? Are you kidding me? Good lord that's cold.

[barbecuesauce99]

Hyundai 10 years OR 100000 miles warranty is for powertrain ONLY. and ONLY apply to the first owner.
Hope you are not expecting bumper to bumper warranty for 10 years.
Honda powertrain warranty is 5 years or 60000 miles.
So sorry to hear that you are not happy with honda. Maybe better luck with hyundai.

[mdugan7000]

I have the rear differential problem. Whenever it's cold the car vibrates for about 10 minutes until it's warmed up. When I do the circle test it grinds in the back. The question is this: what should I do about it? I'm leasing the car so I don't give a h00t one way or the other if it's fixed or not. What I am concerned with, however, is whether this poses any type of safety issue and/or potential for a serious mechanical failure farther down the road? Also, since this affects the rear differential, will I have issues when it starts snowing? That would really make me angry.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? Simply put, I'm in no mood to go to the dealer and complain and have them tell me there's nothing wrong. Same thing with Honda.

Needless to say, this is the first and last Honda I will ever buy. My girlfriend's Dad swore up and down how good they were, and how my Hyundai Tucson was a crappy car with no resale value. Well, 15k miles on the Tucson later, there's nary a peep. And I'm still covered by the 10 year / 120k warranty. Barely 500 miles on the CR-V and there's already mechanical problems, the projected MPG couldn't be more off, the car is generally uncomfortable, the CD player can't even scroll MP3 song names, and it takes a good 10 minutes for warm air to come in after I turn it on in the morning. All in all? A loser. This kind of me reminds me how Japanese cars used to be considered crap. Yes, there was a point in time during which Toyota and Honda were the laughing stock of the American automotive world. Then, due mostly to their reliability, they took over. I think that's on the decline. Hyundai is challenging them, seriously. In 10 years the tables will be turned. Wait and see.

You had better care about getting it fixed - if the rear diff clutch pack fails, it should stick in the closed position meaning that both rear wheels will turn together, at the same rate and the car will be tough to drive even on dry pavement. If it is the ring/pinoin assembly, it will simply break off a few teeth and the rear will either not work at all or the grenaded fragments will cause the rear wheels to not turn it all.

As to your other issues...

MP3 - Personally, I could care less. (hey, that's my opinion, I don't even own any music CD's. If it isn't on the radio for free, I don't listen)

Are you attempting to warm up the car first? If so, that's why it takes 10 minutes. Your manual doesn't say to try and warm it up. 30 seconds to a minute is all it takes, then drive away gently. It will warm up much faster.

Your mileage sucks because...It hasn't broke in yet, it's WINTER, you are spending time warming it up, and the US is not only using re-formulated winter gas but you are probably putting an ethanol-blend into your vehicle.

Oh, if you had bought the same year CR-V instead of a Hyundai, the CR-V would be worth several thousand more $ now than the used Hyundai, same as this model CR-V will be in a couple of years. Anyone can get lucky with any vehicle made and have no issues. It is a rarity though.

[vexdan]

I have the rear differential problem. Whenever it's cold the car vibrates for about 10 minutes until it's warmed up. When I do the circle test it grinds in the back. The question is this: what should I do about it? I'm leasing the car so I don't give a h00t one way or the other if it's fixed or not. What I am concerned with, however, is whether this poses any type of safety issue and/or potential for a serious mechanical failure farther down the road? Also, since this affects the rear differential, will I have issues when it starts snowing? That would really make me angry.

Anyone have any suggestions as to what I should do? Simply put, I'm in no mood to go to the dealer and complain and have them tell me there's nothing wrong. Same thing with Honda.

Needless to say, this is the first and last Honda I will ever buy. My girlfriend's Dad swore up and down how good they were, and how my Hyundai Tucson was a crappy car with no resale value. Well, 15k miles on the Tucson later, there's nary a peep. And I'm still covered by the 10 year / 120k warranty. Barely 500 miles on the CR-V and there's already mechanical problems, the projected MPG couldn't be more off, the car is generally uncomfortable, the CD player can't even scroll MP3 song names, and it takes a good 10 minutes for warm air to come in after I turn it on in the morning. All in all? A loser. This kind of me reminds me how Japanese cars used to be considered crap. Yes, there was a point in time during which Toyota and Honda were the laughing stock of the American automotive world. Then, due mostly to their reliability, they took over. I think that's on the decline. Hyundai is challenging them, seriously. In 10 years the tables will be turned. Wait and see.

You had better care about getting it fixed - if the rear diff clutch pack fails, it should stick in the closed position meaning that both rear wheels will turn together, at the same rate and the car will be tough to drive even on dry pavement. If it is the ring/pinoin assembly, it will simply break off a few teeth and the rear will either not work at all or the grenaded fragments will cause the rear wheels to not turn it all.

As to your other issues...

MP3 - Personally, I could care less. (hey, that's my opinion, I don't even own any music CD's. If it isn't on the radio for free, I don't listen)

Are you attempting to warm up the car first? If so, that's why it takes 10 minutes. Your manual doesn't say to try and warm it up. 30 seconds to a minute is all it takes, then drive away gently. It will warm up much faster.

Your mileage sucks because...It hasn't broke in yet, it's WINTER, you are spending time warming it up, and the US is not only using re-formulated winter gas but you are probably putting an ethanol-blend into your vehicle.

Oh, if you had bought the same year CR-V instead of a Hyundai, the CR-V would be worth several thousand more $ now than the used Hyundai, same as this model CR-V will be in a couple of years. Anyone can get lucky with any vehicle made and have no issues. It is a rarity though.

Hi, thanks for the response. Actually I'm not warming it up. I get in, turn the key, take out my glasses, buckle up, etc., so I start driving within 30 seconds or so. Still takes a while.
Guess I'll have to and get the rear diff. fixed. Thanks for the info.

[sleeksilver]

FYI. I have never heard a gleaming review of a Tucson from any magazine. In fact, every article I've ever read about a Tucson they are rated as "Mediocre". I wouldn't want to be driving something that is mediocre... The CRV on the other hand, is loved and gets great reviews.

Get your problem fixed. It's not that big of a deal, they might even give you a nice loaner while your car is in the shop.

[bumpzter]

I've test driven a Tucson a few times lately. I like it better than my V. Lot's more features. Wish Honda would have some of them. Lot's less money. All safety features. Better warranty (yes, I have read the fine print.) Probably won't buy one yet. Still not very confident about Hyundai.
But my V is not 4 years old yet, and I want to change. Too bad. :roll:

I was counting on the new CR-V, but, but, but, ................. :idea: :?:

[vexdan]

I've test driven a Tucson a few times lately. I like it better than my V. Lot's more features. Wish Honda would have some of them. Lot's less money. All safety features. Better warranty (yes, I have read the fine print.) Probably won't buy one yet. Still not very confident about Hyundai.
But my V is not 4 years old yet, and I want to change. Too bad. :roll:

I was counting on the new CR-V, but, but, but, ................. :idea: :?:

Yeah... I hear you. I've only had my Tucson for a little over a year but I have no complaints about it. Everything is as advertised. The only thing I could say about the V is that it's "smoother" than the Tucson, e.g., the gear changing, acceleration, etc., but other than that I'd pick the Tucson, especially with the differential problems.

[vexdan]

FYI. I have never heard a gleaming review of a Tucson from any magazine. In fact, every article I've ever read about a Tucson they are rated as "Mediocre". I wouldn't want to be driving something that is mediocre... The CRV on the other hand, is loved and gets great reviews.

Get your problem fixed. It's not that big of a deal, they might even give you a nice loaner while your car is in the shop.

Mediocre in which way? All I know is that it costs less than the V, has more features, and has the highest ranks for initial quality in its class. Could it have a smoother ride? Sure. Could it have better acceleration? Absolutely. Would I like it to guzzle less gas? Definitely. But Hyundai has to get into the market by charging less and so it's cutting down a lot. But I must also add that the Tucson V6 gobbles less gas than my 4-cylinder V. I know, I know: I just got the V, it has to be broken in and the MPG will go up. We'll see.

Additionally, the fact that CR-V is loved is, in my opinion, not because it's so great, but because for a long time, approaching a decade, it and the RAV-4 were the only viable vehicles of its kind. So if you were in the market for a small SUV you were buying one or the other. That is no longer the case. Mazda, Nissan, Subaru, Hyundai, Ford, Jeep, et al., all offer comparable models. If you go onto edmunds.com and check out the user reviews for the '06 and '07 Vs you'll see that they're lower than previous ones. That's because people now have options. Honda had really better watch out because it's losing market share rapidly.

[bumpzter]

It's not that I want to promote Hyundai, but the Tucson has so many more features.
If you lift the rear floor, there's a tray on top of the spare with several compartments to hold all kinds of stuff. Not just foam blocks like the new V has. And, here's a great feature, if you do away with that tray, you can carry a full sized spare wheel. In fact it's one of the options.
The rear seats, and the passenger seat back, fold perfectly flat.
The windshield has embedded heater wires to keep the wipers from freezing.
The sun visors are extendable.
The driver's seat has adjustment for front and back. And lumbar support.
The headlights go off when you turn the key off.
Why couldn't the new Honda have these minimal cost features?
And, the rear window opens like pre 07 V's.
The 4WD can be locked on.
Automatics have the Tiptronic feature.
And there's more.
This is a 2005 design. Judging by the new Santa Fe, the next edition Tucson will be even better.
JM2C

[Racoon]

and has the highest ranks for initial quality in its class.
Just make sure you understand what the JD Powers Initial Quality Survey is reporting on -- problems in the first 90 days of ownership.

The JD Powers Dependability Study, the one that measures problems of 3 year old vehicles, still ranks the Hyundai at or near the bottom of the list.

Until Hyundai is ranked above Toyota and Honda on the Dependability Study you won't see me in one, regardless of the number of features for the money.

JM2C

[bumpzter]

Yeah but we won't see you in a 2007 CR-V either, will we Racoon? :lol:

[Racoon]

Yeah but we won't see you in a 2007 CR-V either, will we Racoon? :lol:
Nope. My 1999 CR-V EX runs just fine and with 86,000 miles on the odometer is still my "new" car.

:D

[RichK]

The 06 april issue of Consumer Reports says the first year reliability of the Hyundai Tucson, as reported by owners, has been much worse than average.

[sleeksilver]

and has the highest ranks for initial quality in its class.
Just make sure you understand what the JD Powers Initial Quality Survey is reporting on -- problems in the first 90 days of ownership.

The JD Powers Dependability Study, the one that measures problems of 3 year old vehicles, still ranks the Hyundai at or near the bottom of the list.

Until Hyundai is ranked above Toyota and Honda on the Dependability Study you won't see me in one, regardless of the number of features for the money.

JM2C

100% Correct, well not the last part because the new Santa Fe will 100% be on my list when it comes time to replace my CRV.

Hyundai's initial quality is great, when it gets older then you start having all sorts of problems. Check out www.santafeforum.net and look at their repairs & customer service issues threads. There are a few with engine replacements, transmission replacements, and multiple other problems including dismal fuel milage with both claimed engines (2.7 and 3.5). Now I know there are exceptions, one of my neighbors has a Santa Fe with over 120K on it with no problems.



TONY SWAN
“Adequate” isn’t high praise, but the word accurately describes the Tucson. Aside from bargain pricing, there’s nothing remarkable about this new cute ute. Its dynamics are bland, its interior design is generic, and its performance is ho-hum, particularly with an automatic transmission. That’s what comes with the 2.7-liter V-6, and it adds up to, well, mere adequacy. As small V-6 engines go, this one doesn’t. The bottom line here, of course, is money. The Tucson’s pricing makes it much more tempting than if it were on an equal footing with the likes of the Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV4 or the Subaru Forester. When the price is right, adequacy adds up to value.

That doesn't sound like a happy review....

[vexdan]

TONY SWAN
“Adequate” isn’t high praise, but the word accurately describes the Tucson. Aside from bargain pricing, there’s nothing remarkable about this new cute ute. Its dynamics are bland, its interior design is generic, and its performance is ho-hum, particularly with an automatic transmission. That’s what comes with the 2.7-liter V-6, and it adds up to, well, mere adequacy. As small V-6 engines go, this one doesn’t. The bottom line here, of course, is money. The Tucson’s pricing makes it much more tempting than if it were on an equal footing with the likes of the Honda CR-V or Toyota RAV4 or the Subaru Forester. When the price is right, adequacy adds up to value.

That doesn't sound like a happy review....[/quote]

Except none of that matters to me. Basing a review on aesthetics is inane. "Its dynamics are bland"? What does that even mean? As for the engine, I'd agree it's underpowered. But that's what happens when Hyundai is trying to gain a share of a market in which it is virtually unknown. Nevertheless, I see many more Tucsons on the streets than CR-Vs. At least in NYC.

As far as the Tucson's quality as reported in Consumer Reps., I simply disbelieve it. My neighbor and I both own '05 Tucsons and so far, after about 35k miles between us, neither has had a problem. I think that if a car has some deficiencies, it'll come up in nearly every instance. To wit, most V owners here have some variation of the rear differential issue. It's not as if Consumer Reports is declaring a problem and everyone here is baffled because their Vs are flawless.

[miko]

I don't know who TONY SWAN is and don't care, but that is not a review. Just some personal opinions.
I agree with the other posters that Hyundai is a manufacturer to watch. Their new vehicles are great. Sonata, Sana Fe, new minivan, etc. The next generation Tucson will be a winner too. Even the current one has many standard features not available on even brand new CR-V's.

[Racoon]

As far as the Tucson's quality as reported in Consumer Reps., I simply disbelieve it. My neighbor and I both own '05 Tucsons and so far, after about 35k miles between us, neither has had a problem.
I'm glad you like your Tucson.

As with the JD Powers reports, you have to understand what the Consumer Reports ratings are based on. Their reviews are just that, a review of the vehicle by one or more drivers. The problem ratings are different, and are not a subjective reivew. They are simply a summary of what problems the people who own the vehicle have reported to Consumer Reports. They are not opinions.


Of course everytime I read one of your pro-Tucson posts I wonder why you're hanging around a Honda forum if you love your Tucson so much.

:)

[mdugan7000]

Of course everytime I read one of your pro-Tucson posts I wonder why you're hanging around a Honda forum if you love your Tucson so much.:)

He kept it because resale was so bad he was upside-down on the loan... ?

[barbecuesauce99]

Anyone or anyone who you know of took the survey from JD power while you own or lease a car?

[colorider]

Anyone or anyone who you know of took the survey from JD power while you own or lease a car?

I just took the on-line one from JD Power for my CR-V.

[sleeksilver]

I don't know who TONY SWAN is and don't care, but that is not a review. Just some personal opinions.


Do you read Car and Driver? If you did you would know who Tony Swan is....


vexdan, when he was talking about dynamics he means the driving dynamics of the vehicle :)

[mdugan7000]

I just spent 2 hours checking out sleeksilver's link to the Hyundai forum.

It IS all about expectations. They bought a cheaper vehicle and did not expect to have zero problems. They seem to accept the fact that they will have numerous issues. Those people post one post after another saying how great their Hyundai is and only had 3,4,5 problems! I could not imagine a modern vehicle that eats timing belts every 60k miles and after reading their stories, it seems that not spending $700 every 60k miles for a new timing belt means impending doom for the motor!
The number of people that have posted about bad rear diff's, broken transfer cases, multiple replaced trannies and complete engine replacements is simply astounding!

[etc]

actually there are a lot of new vehicles that change timing belts at 60k miles/100k km :roll:
that aside Hyundai is doing very well now entering top 10 most selling :wink:

[mdugan7000]

actually there are a lot of new vehicles that change timing belts at 60k miles/100k km :roll:
that aside Hyundai is doing very well now entering top 10 most selling :wink:

YUGO sold a lot of cars in about 2 years, but that didn't make it reliable. People flock to a cheap-priced car every time. Hyundai may be getting better on their quality and long-term reliability, but I don't want to test that myself.

[sleeksilver]

actually there are a lot of new vehicles that change timing belts at 60k miles/100k km :roll:
that aside Hyundai is doing very well now entering top 10 most selling :wink:

YUGO sold a lot of cars in about 2 years, but that didn't make it reliable. People flock to a cheap-priced car every time. Hyundai may be getting better on their quality and long-term reliability, but I don't want to test that myself.

Wait until they bring Chinese cars here... You want to talk about JUNK??? They are the biggest pieces of crap ever. :roll: The stupid, misinformed public will buy it and think they have a great deal...

Anyway, mdugan... Do you know if that 2.7 is a non interference engine??? If the belt breaks it won't be as big of a deal.... I also spend a lot of time on that forum and it is pretty crazy the amount of problems that they are experiencing.

I'm still trying to figure out the exact milage figure from my neighbor with one of the first 2001 Santa Fe's with the 2.7, she hasn't had a single problem either and shes well over 120, maybe even 150k by now.

[miko]

It IS all about expectations. They bought a cheaper vehicle and did not expect to have zero problems. They seem to accept the fact that they will have numerous issues.
Thank you. This brought a smile to my face. :lol:

Aren't you the one who always makes excuses if anyone has CR-V problems?
"No car is perfect." "Expect problems with new models." "Honda dealers can't be expected to know about all TSB." And so on.
As I recall you had problems with yours. But that's OK with you, right? But heaven forbid that a different make should have problems. :lol:


Do you read Car and Driver? If you did you would know who Tony Swan is....
I don't. Actually I don't read any of those magazines. Not anymore, anyway. Don't like any of them. :lol:

[mdugan7000]

It IS all about expectations. They bought a cheaper vehicle and did not expect to have zero problems. They seem to accept the fact that they will have numerous issues.
Thank you. This brought a smile to my face. :lol:

Aren't you the one who always makes excuses if anyone has CR-V problems?
"No car is perfect." "Expect problems with new models." "Honda dealers can't be expected to know about all TSB." And so on.
As I recall you had problems with yours. But that's OK with you, right? But heaven forbid that a different make should have problems. :lol:


Do you read Car and Driver? If you did you would know who Tony Swan is....
I don't. Actually I don't read any of those magazines. Not anymore, anyway. Don't like any of them. :lol:

Actually, we have had a few small issues with the 04, but I would expect at least some issues with ANY car I buy. I have owned well over 50 cars since 1980 and these 2 V's we now have rank at the top of the reliability heap. Plus, so far, with having put 50k+ on the used 99 odo at 132k) in 2 years and the wife is now up to 47k+ on the 04, neither one has ever had an issue that has left us stranded.

How many complete engine or transmission replacements have you heard about for a CR-V of any year? There are dozens of people that posted about complete engine replacements on that other forum. Dozens - plural. There are multiple members there reporting tranny number 2,3,4!

[sleeksilver]

I think I've heard of maybe one engine replacement on this whole board, which has thousands more members than www.santafeforum.net does.

Miko, maybe you should start reading them. Lots of good information in them.... I've had a subscription to C&D since 1998 for myself, and my father has had a subscription from wayyyyyyyyyy back in the late 70's. I also subscribe to Motor Trend, and Auto Week.

[bumpzter]

I look at some of the Auto mags when I sit in the dentist and doctor waiting rooms. Always way too many high end car reviews. But, they are a little better than all the ladies magazines.

[vexdan]

Of course everytime I read one of your pro-Tucson posts I wonder why you're hanging around a Honda forum if you love your Tucson so much.:)

He kept it because resale was so bad he was upside-down on the loan... ?

Not at all. I kept it because I liked it, we have no problems with it, and we traded in my Mom's 2000 Toyota Camry, which was the biggest piece of crap of all time. Every two months there was something else wrong with it.

As for why I hang around the Honda forum - I bought the V. It's not as if I hang around here and don't own a Honda.

[mdugan7000]

Of course everytime I read one of your pro-Tucson posts I wonder why you're hanging around a Honda forum if you love your Tucson so much.:)

He kept it because resale was so bad he was upside-down on the loan... ?

Not at all. I kept it because I liked it, we have no problems with it, and we traded in my Mom's 2000 Toyota Camry, which was the biggest piece of crap of all time. Every two months there was something else wrong with it.

As for why I hang around the Honda forum - I bought the V. It's not as if I hang around here and don't own a Honda.

No offense meant. Just a little "Hyundai Humor" for miko, the Hyundai promoter. :)

[vexdan]

No offense meant. Just a little "Hyundai Humor" for miko, the Hyundai promoter. :)

No offense taken. In reality, I realize the V, at least mechanically, is a better car than the Tucson. What bothers me is the fact that Honda isn't owning up to the problem. If they had said something to the effect of, "We know there's a problem and we apologize. It's not a safety issue, you can keep driving it and when we get a supplier to deliver us enough rear diffs. to change out all the ones that are bad we'll let you know." Instead, Honda and their dealerships have taken to denying the problem in some instances, feigning ignorance, giving some people extended warranties and not others, flushing some people's rear diffs. and swapping out others, etc. That's what I don't like at all. It's almost a superiority complex with Honda: "We're Honda and can do no wrong. And even if we do you'll get a letter from us before you even spot the problem yourself."

[miko]

No offense meant. Just a little "Hyundai Humor" for miko, the Hyundai promoter. :)
That's right now. Wait till you see whose bandwagon I jump on next month. :wink:

[mdugan7000]

No offense meant. Just a little "Hyundai Humor" for miko, the Hyundai promoter. :)
That's right now. Wait till you see whose bandwagon I jump on next month. :wink:
OMG! Yugo's are coming back! :shock:

[sleeksilver]

No offense meant. Just a little "Hyundai Humor" for miko, the Hyundai promoter. :)
That's right now. Wait till you see whose bandwagon I jump on next month. :wink:
OMG! Yugo's are coming back! :shock:


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Okay, you got a legitimate laugh from that one...

"Yugos are the best, wait till you see how much they have improved"

:P



vexdan, what exactly went wrong with the Camry???? :shock:

[vexdan]

vexdan, what exactly went wrong with the Camry???? :shock:

A/C, timing belt, wasn't passing inspection, starter, wheel was whining when being turned, etc. it was bad. only 76k miles on it.

[miko]

OMG! Yugo's are coming back! :shock:
Do you know something I don't? Are they now first in initial quality? :roll:

[Skrapiron]

A/C, timing belt, wasn't passing inspection, starter, wheel was whining when being turned, etc. it was bad. only 76k miles on it.

Timing belt- expected routine maintenance
Not Passing inspection- Not sure what you mean. Emissions? Tune-up would help
Whining wheel- bad wheel bearing
A/C- Bummer. Happens from time to time.

I guess what I'm saying that it's perfectly NORMAL to need to do the above maintenance to a 6 year old car. Yes, it can be expensive, but if that's all that failed in 6 years you're doing well.

Take my last Saturn for example. 3 Computers, 2 wheel bearings, 2 front rotors, 1 caliper, 2 propeller shaft (drive shaft) support bearings, 2 sway-bar links, 1 transmission, 1 steering wheel, 1 airbag sensor. All that in just under 3 years of service. Wait theres more. 1998 Ford Econoline van: 1 transmission, 1 radiator, front and rear A/C, front and rear heat, heater core, abs computer, 4 sets of beakes, 1 rear differential, 2 rear springs, 2 front springs, accelerator cable, 4 sets of shocks, 2 exhausts, cruise control switch fire (under recall), 2 water pumps, 1 alternator, cracked thermostat housing and oil leaks to beat the band. All that in a Van with less than 60,000 miles on it.

I'd take your 2000 Camry WITH all of it's problems any day over the last two vehicles I owned.. I'm telling you. You don't know nothing about having car troubles if that's all you can complain about!

[vexdan]

Timing belt- expected routine maintenance
Not Passing inspection- Not sure what you mean. Emissions? Tune-up would help
Whining wheel- bad wheel bearing
A/C- Bummer. Happens from time to time.

I guess what I'm saying that it's perfectly NORMAL to need to do the above maintenance to a 6 year old car. Yes, it can be expensive, but if that's all that failed in 6 years you're doing well.

Take my last Saturn for example. 3 Computers, 2 wheel bearings, 2 front rotors, 1 caliper, 2 propeller shaft (drive shaft) support bearings, 2 sway-bar links, 1 transmission, 1 steering wheel, 1 airbag sensor. All that in just under 3 years of service. Wait theres more. 1998 Ford Econoline van: 1 transmission, 1 radiator, front and rear A/C, front and rear heat, heater core, abs computer, 4 sets of beakes, 1 rear differential, 2 rear springs, 2 front springs, accelerator cable, 4 sets of shocks, 2 exhausts, cruise control switch fire (under recall), 2 water pumps, 1 alternator, cracked thermostat housing and oil leaks to beat the band. All that in a Van with less than 60,000 miles on it.

I'd take your 2000 Camry WITH all of it's problems any day over the last two vehicles I owned.. I'm telling you. You don't know nothing about having car troubles if that's all you can complain about!

Well, that's not what I expect out of a car. Prior to my Tucson I had a 97 Buick Riviera. 135k miles on it, and the only problem was a blown out tranny. My Dad had a 95 Buick Lesabre. 160k until problems surfaced. I expected more from a Toyota at 76k than the Buicks.

P.S. The inspection thing was emissions. But a tuneup would not have helped because the problem, as was described to me, was with the catalytic converter and some other pieces.

[mdugan7000]

A 2000 Camry with 76k miles and an emissions problem? That should have been fixed for free as a part of the emissions warranty?

[vexdan]

A 2000 Camry with 76k miles and an emissions problem? That should have been fixed for free as a part of the emissions warranty?

Nope. 5 years, 60k miles.

[mdugan7000]

A 2000 Camry with 76k miles and an emissions problem? That should have been fixed for free as a part of the emissions warranty?

Nope. 5 years, 60k miles.

Ouch. I would have made a complaint to the EPA on that one!

[vexdan]

Complaint about what? They don't have to guarantee emissions passing for the life of the car. I think the V has the same thing - 5/60.

[Racoon]

Complaint about what? They don't have to guarantee emissions passing for the life of the car. I think the V has the same thing - 5/60.
Actually, I believe in the US there are several emissions components that are covered by 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranties (although it may be 7 years/80,000 miles). The catalytic converter is definitely covered a longer warranty than the bumper-to-bumper 3 year/36,000 mile or powertrain 5 year/60,000 mile warranty. California warranty coverage may be somewhat different.

JM2C

[vexdan]

Actually, I believe in the US there are several emissions components that are covered by 8 year/80,000 mile emissions warranties (although it may be 7 years/80,000 miles). The catalytic converter is definitely covered a longer warranty than the bumper-to-bumper 3 year/36,000 mile or powertrain 5 year/60,000 mile warranty. California warranty coverage may be somewhat different.

JM2C

Oh... I didn't know that. My mechanic didn't say anything about it. Oh well... I used it for a trade-in so whatever.

[IVTECCRV]

the 2007 V still use dual pump fluid? I thought they updated to the new fluid.

[sleeksilver]

the 2007 V still use dual pump fluid? I thought they updated to the new fluid.

New fluid? Should still be dual pump.... Unless they reformulated it?