love the new 07 cr-v

[garethusa]

:D

okay went to see them over the weekend. feel in love with the royal blue EX with black cloth. don't care to have black leather. if the royal blue came in grey or beige leather, then maybe.

what i love about the looks of the new CR-V is that appears to look very european and similar to the BMW mini SUV they have.

the second color that i liked was the galacier blue.

i had the first generation CR-V and loved it. it was electron blue pearl. that would be my favorite blue but the blues now are really nice.

i drive a jetta wagon diesel now, 2004, and it's so hard to give it up because of the great fuel economy.

yet, i can't get the new CR-V out of my head. i wanted an audi A3, but the CR-V moves up to the line.

is there any truth of rumors the new CR-V will come in hybrid or diesel in the USA in the near future? 2009 perhaps?

i am so happy for those of you who already own the new one! very very nice. love it way more than the second generation.

excellent HONDA.

oh couple of questions....does the new one come equipped with the picnic table or is that gone? and does the window on the rear tailgate open separately or do you have to open the whole rear door up? and i guess final question, what are the intervals for oil changes?

okay, one last question.....how do you open the rear door/tailgate from inside. i couldn't find a button on the console or driver's door to open it.

thanks!

[dejal]

"okay, one last question.....how do you open the rear door/tailgate from inside. i couldn't find a button on the console or driver's door to open it. "


I don't think there is one

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[Flomobile]

If the rear door is connected to the power doorlocks, there is no need for a trunk release. That's one of the goofier oversights on the Gen1, and possibly Gen2 (someone who owns one can speak up about that).

[kf7345]

My husband and I looked at a new 2007 CR-V last evening on the way home. It was dark and the dealership was closed so we didn't get a good look at the interior, but from what we saw, we were pleased. We were looking at a green EX-L and if the 2007 Consumer Reports is favorable we will probably buy another CR-V.

The price at the dealership had a $2500 markup after all the junk (over priced non factory stuff). We will wait until the newness has worn off and the price for this vehicle is more reasonable. We would rather spend our money on going places than on a car payment. Which is the reason we currently have a 2002 CR-V instead of a Lexus, which is a fine vehicle, but we have come to realise that just because you have some money, it doesn't mean you have to spend it foolishly. We would rather have a good car and have money to play and travel. Life is a trade off you have to find out what rings your bell and go with it.

[garethusa]

hey kf,

totally agree with you. amazing that your dealership you visited had a $2500 markup. the one of many i went to had a $995 mark up.

seriously, i wouldn't pay overs MSRP. there are many honda dealerships in the DC metro area and i know someone gets lucky every day.

honda may be all great - as i would know since i had a 2000 cr-v (that was my favorite generation!) - but they shouldn't be able to get away with raking consumers over the coals over MSRP.

i am very happy with my VW and it totally drives so much different than a Honda, i have a hard time thinking about giving it up. i just have always loved the CR-V and the new one is definitely an improvement interior wise and i love how it looks like the BMW suv.

happy travels..yes, i'd rather save my money or spend it travelling too; eating is where all my money goes :D

[CollegeProf]

:D

okay went to see them over the weekend. feel in love with the royal blue EX with black cloth. don't care to have black leather. if the royal blue came in grey or beige leather, then maybe.

what i love about the looks of the new CR-V is that appears to look very european and similar to the BMW mini SUV they have.

the second color that i liked was the galacier blue.

i had the first generation CR-V and loved it. it was electron blue pearl. that would be my favorite blue but the blues now are really nice.

i drive a jetta wagon diesel now, 2004, and it's so hard to give it up because of the great fuel economy.

yet, i can't get the new CR-V out of my head. i wanted an audi A3, but the CR-V moves up to the line.

is there any truth of rumors the new CR-V will come in hybrid or diesel in the USA in the near future? 2009 perhaps?

i am so happy for those of you who already own the new one! very very nice. love it way more than the second generation.

excellent HONDA.

oh couple of questions....does the new one come equipped with the picnic table or is that gone? and does the window on the rear tailgate open separately or do you have to open the whole rear door up? and i guess final question, what are the intervals for oil changes?

okay, one last question.....how do you open the rear door/tailgate from inside. i couldn't find a button on the console or driver's door to open it.

thanks!

Yes, the picnic table is gone and to the best of my recollection, the window is stationary. It's amazing though how easily the tailgate/hatch lifts up when the button is pushed! I drive a Pilot which I'm trading in and I get a workout every time I open and close it!

Mine should be here in two weeks! My friend said the same thing you did-she said it reminded her of a BMW SUV or Lexus SUV - which is quite a change from my first Gen CRV I had 4 years ago! :wink:

[Dragonfly]

I don't think there is one

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Could you replace that gymongous URL in your post with this one?

http://tinyurl.com/esvu8

It's making the whole thread too wide.

(Use http://tinyurl.com/ to reduce the size of large URL's)

TIA :)

[bing]

There is an electronic switch on the tail gate that opens the hatch. Yes, it is tied into the central locking system and so if the battery is out, I don't think there is a way to open the back hatch!

Here's a picture of where the swtich is located.

Bing

[skyout]

so if the battery is out, I don't think there is a way to open the back hatch!

Bing
So if you have the "doggie bars" up, keep the ice cream between the seats
when coming home from the grocery store!!! :D

[mcbeevee]

There is an electronic switch on the tail gate that opens the hatch. Yes, it is tied into the central locking system and so if the battery is out, I don't think there is a way to open the back hatch!
Bing
I think I read somewhere in the owner's manual about a way to open the hatch without power. It involved removing a plastic panel on the rear door and pressing one of the levers. :)

[80honda]

GarethUSA, that Diesel Jetta Wagon should have a HIGH resale value. If VW sold a new Diesel wagon, i'd but it today.

[garethusa]

hey 80honda....

yeah it does. a few weeks ago i had lots of people interested in it and i got top dollar - in fact, i could sell it for what i bought for it back in 2004. amazing!!!!

i do love my VW jetta wagon. i don't know why i have illusions of needing more room...it's just me and my cat :P

if the crv ever comes in diesel though, i may be tempted.

also, it will be interesting to see what the new jetta wagon will look like. VW should have their new common rail diesels ready to sell in 2008! :twisted:

[sleeksilver]

Congrats on the new CRV :) Post some pictures for us!!!

[mcbeevee]

There is an electronic switch on the tail gate that opens the hatch. Yes, it is tied into the central locking system and so if the battery is out, I don't think there is a way to open the back hatch!
Bing
I think I read somewhere in the owner's manual about a way to open the hatch without power. It involved removing a plastic panel on the rear door and pressing one of the levers. :)
I got out the owner's manual tonight to verify this. There is a plastic cover on the hatch near the handle that can be removed. Behind this cover is a lever that will manually open the rear hatch. :)

[bing]

Thanks I have to inspect when I pick up the V in 11 days! Can't wait to drive it.

Bing

[bing]

Okay, so there is a little opening inside the vehicle to manually open it up! Cool.

Thanks folks.

[mkaresh]

I was thinking it had to be on the inside. Otherwise thieves would have a new favorite :D

[raidencraig]

My first post here, folks... be gentle!
First, I must confess that we are SERIOUS Toyota aficionados. Our family of 5 drives 4 of them-- 2 Camry's, an Avalon, and a Sienna. We are looking for a new car for our second daughter to take off to Georgia Tech (Go Jackets!) next fall. While the RAV 4 is much improved over its predecessor, they have also ramped up the price A LOT. The new CR-V simply looks better than the RAV4 and is ALSO a major improvement over the prior version. One KEY improvement to us is the noise reduction. We had passed on earlier Hondas due to road noise, apparently due to a desire to maximize MPG with lighter bodies... no point to having a good stereo if you cannot hear it! We also consider it a plus not having the spare on the back-- improves the appearance, and allows for the hatch door vs. a wide swinging door.

If you equip a RAV 4 roughly comparably to a loaded CR-V, the RAV4 will cost considerably more. All of the following which come standard on the new CR-V EX-L are extra on the RAV4-- they have similar total base prices: moonroof ($900), leather ($1,400!), heated seats ($440), side curtain airbags ($650), floor mats ($232), stereo upgrade ($640). Those total $4,262! The RAV4 gives you a power driver's seat (CR-V should add that next year) and a marvelous V-6 that gets the same MPG as CR-V's 4 cyl., BUT you pay a LOT MORE to get one otherwise comparably equipped. We are leaning toward getting the CR-V with navigation with the kitchen sink for $28k list... you cannot get the navigation on a RAV 4, but it would sticker for considerably more anyway. Frankly, we think that Toyota has begun to abuse its market position strength by pushing up prices [they do that mainly with options]. They are aided and abetted by a full $1,600 built into every traditional American make just to pay RETIRED union worker benefits. No wonder Ford and GM are reeling financially!

Oh, the new Santa Fe is also much improved, BUT it drinks gas relative to the other 2. Food for thought...

[mkaresh]

Your pricing information is incorrect, maybe because its for 2006 and I'm looking at 2007 RAV4 pricing.

Anyway, the airbags are now standard, leather is $1050, and heated seats are $440. Compare a FWD EX-L to a FWD 4-cylinder Limited and the Toyota is about $700 more, but it also includes about $700 more content, most notably the power driver seat you mention, a roof rack, and dual zone automatic climate control. Adjust for features, and they're very close to dead even.

Even if you don't adjust for feature differences, Toyotas have larger margins than Hondas, and you're much more likely to get a discount on the Toyota since the Honda is brand new, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Toyota actually cost as much as $1,000 less.

CR-V EX-L: $25,395
RAV4 Limited with sunroof and heated leather: $26,100 ($23,889 invoice)

I did not include the Toyota's optional JBL system, as the comparable system on the Honda is bundled with nav. I did not include the floormats, because they're way overpriced from Toyota. $20 will get you some fine all-weather mats from CostCo. As it is, my program gives the Honda a $75 credit for this difference.

Run your own comparisons:

http://www.truedelta.com/prices.php

The biggest problem with the Toyota is I use the packages shown on the national site, while those actually available are a different subset in each region.

[CollegeProf]

Raidencraig,
Tough decision! I drove both the Rav4 and did a great deal of research on both the Rav4 and 07 CRV -As I stated in a previous post, it was neck and neck until I drove the CRV last week. The upscale interior of the CRV and the much improved and quiet ride sealed it for me! I say have her drive both of them-unless it's supposed to be a surprise. :D

[raidencraig]

Your pricing information is incorrect, maybe because its for 2006 and I'm looking at 2007 RAV4 pricing.

Anyway, the airbags are now standard, leather is $1050, and heated seats are $440. Compare a FWD EX-L to a FWD 4-cylinder Limited and the Toyota is about $700 more, but it also includes about $700 more content, most notably the power driver seat you mention, a roof rack, and dual zone automatic climate control. Adjust for features, and they're very close to dead even.

Even if you don't adjust for feature differences, Toyotas have larger margins than Hondas, and you're much more likely to get a discount on the Toyota since the Honda is brand new, so I wouldn't be surprised if the Toyota actually cost as much as $1,000 less.

CR-V EX-L: $25,395
RAV4 Limited with sunroof and heated leather: $26,100 ($23,889 invoice)

I did not include the Toyota's optional JBL system, as the comparable system on the Honda is bundled with nav. I did not include the floormats, because they're way overpriced from Toyota. $20 will get you some fine all-weather mats from CostCo. As it is, my program gives the Honda a $75 credit for this difference.

Run your own comparisons:

http://www.truedelta.com/prices.php

The biggest problem with the Toyota is I use the packages shown on the national site, while those actually available are a different subset in each region.

[bluewho25]

Hey raidencraig, welcome aboard. Look thru the threads, you'll find plenty info.
I also did test drive on the Rav4, but I am going with the CRV.
Safety will be much better.
Design, interior and exterior.
The Rav4's interior is frickin ugly.

Also, check out the insurance prices.
The Rav4 would be about $130 more per year compared to the CRV. I guess that spare tire in the back migth be the reason for it.
However, it is your money so whatever decision you'll make will be the right one.

Hey CollegeProf, call your dealership and ask them for the VIN on your CRV, the Japan's version starts with the J, like mine does.


EL Guapo
P.S. My CRV arrived last night at the dealership, so I will pick it up this afternoon and I willpost some pictures.

[raidencraig]

To: bluewho25-- thanks for the welcome...actually, we are virtually decided on the CR-V. Again, we have been Toyota people for 20 years, but they are getting supercilious on the pricing. We also find the new CR-V more aesthetically appealing all-around.

To: mkaresh-- thanks for the would-be pricing advice, but I WAS comparing 2007 Southeast U.S. prices per toyota.com and honda.com as well as looking directly at stickers... and I was comparing apples with apples as they relate to us. [Upgrade stereo to upgrade stereo with satellite... user feedback about the standard RAV 4 stereo has been critical] You can never get every detail exactly comparable, of course. Since the V-6 in the RAV4 amazingly gets the same MPG as the 4 in the CR-V, yet gives more pep, I noted that edge to RAV4 before, but the only CR-V engine is certainly not underpowered and has better HP and torque than the predecessor.

Many reviewers have noted the annoying way all-in Toyota prices creep up with options-- we find this to be true. I used to finance dealers as a banker-- their cost is ultimately always a function of a % of the sticker prices, subject to accounting adjustments which have no relevance to the purchasers. [The cost of fluff like Toyoguard Protection is about 20% of sticker, but most normal options follow a % formula.] It is really moot what some pricing list on the internet shows if you cannot price one in your area that way.

No, the side curtain airbags are only available as an ordered option (RSCA) on RAV 4-- none is even available in the SE databank of currently available RAV4's. Personally, I find off-color all-weather carpet mats from an aftermarket source cheesy in a decent new car. Yes, they ARE overpriced by Toyota-- just as leather/heated seats, moonroof, etc. are when added in to the base. Really, the only option to add to the CR-V other than Nav. (N/A on RAV4) is the custom mirror-- also an extra on RAV4. At the end of the day, the CR-V simply offers the better value, ESPECIALLY with the EX-L package of standard items.

[CollegeProf]

Thanks BlueWho=did it-don't have it yet! It is still "out there in Neverland!" They are having to do a dealer trade and that dealer does not have it in their system yet :(

Beleive me, I've asked. I'm having to wait for a reason-I'm keeping the faith! :wink:

The ONLY Honda I've EVER had ANY problems with had a VIN from Canada (no offense to my buddies out there from the far North!). So, who knows....Japan, Ohio, Canada, UK................

[mkaresh]

raidencraig,

For someone who apparently knows everything, you make a number of errors.

First, the side curtain and side airbags are standard on every 2007 RAV4. Period. Says so even on the site for GA. You either consulted an incorrect source or read it incorrectly. As I said earlier, you probably looked at 2006 model year information.

Second, I'm about 99% certain that the leather seats in the southeast include heaters (very necessary in Georgia, after all). The national price for leather without heat is $1,050. Heat is usually another $440. So the Southeast, which has an independent distributor, gets a slight price break.

Third, the price I see on the SE site for the floormats alone is $139. The price you noted probably includes a cargo mat, which isn't on the Honda.

On the other hand, the JBL audio does appear to be on every single leather RAV4, so it's probably a prerequisite. Doesn't change the fact that its a superior system to that in the Honda. Since you're clearly an audiophile for whom the standard Toyota system would be inadequate, this should be worth something to you. You might also place some value on the included Bluetooth.

Turns out that Toyota South in Morrow, GA, has a black/ash RAV4 listed with just the features you want (leather, mats, sunroof, JBL) for $27,437. Available on 10/14. This includes a documentation fee of $499, which seems high to me.

I do notice that most of the other RAV4s listed have a bunch of over-priced dealer-installed crap, but you should be clear that the dealers and not Toyota are the ones doing this. The prices for the factory-installed options are not abnormal.

I don't know about there, but around here you can buy a RAV4 for not too far above invoice. Probably $25,500 at most for this particular vehicle, assuming the doc fee is not negotiable.

I suspect the tranaction price on a CR-V EX-L, MSRP of $25,395 before doc fee, will be at least $25,000. Not so far apart.

You can believe what you want to believe. I just don't want others to be misinformed that the RAV4 must cost significantly more than the CR-V, as this is not the case.

Toyota/Lexus is the only manufacturer for which I don't always accurately display real-life configurations, because they're the only manufacturer that provides different regions with different packages and, on top of this, frequently changes what is available where. Totally crazy system that not even the dealers seem to understand.

[Dragonfly]

Also, check out the insurance prices.
The Rav4 would be about $130 more per year compared to the CRV. I guess that spare tire in the back migth be the reason for it.

I don't think it's the spare, because when I checked insurance prices between the '06 CR-V and the RAV4 back in June, the RAV was $140 a year more. Who knows why...

[mkaresh]

Also, check out the insurance prices.
The Rav4 would be about $130 more per year compared to the CRV. I guess that spare tire in the back migth be the reason for it.

I don't think it's the spare, because when I checked insurance prices between the '06 CR-V and the RAV4 back in June, the RAV was $140 a year more. Who knows why...

Most likely the average RAV4 driver is younger and/or more reckless than the average CR-V driver. This might change with the new one, and insurance costs will adjust accordingly.

On the other hand, how do the rear bumpers (or lack thereof) compare across the new/old versions of these vehicles?

[raidencraig]

Reply to mkaresh--

Proffered for your consideration are Toyota SE sticker prices on various options simply lifted from an actual sticker listing at toyota.com:

Daytime Running Lights-RLAT $40
Leather Trimmed Seats (req. SIAB)-LA80 $1,398
Cargo Tray-PL10 $109
Remote Start and Security Ststem-QC90 $941
18" Enkei Aloy Wheel/Michelin Tire-WQ80 $1,599
Interior Light Package-IL10 $249
* Center Console Light if vehicle equipped with Center Console
* Cup Holder Lights
* Under Dash Lights
Splashguards-MG40 $110
Window Tint-TW20 $211
Drop Hitch Receiver-DH60 $398
Sunroof Wind Deflector-CF30 $148
Electrochromic Mirror w/Compass-CM20 $199
Stainless Steel Step Bars-LD10 $439
JBL AM/FM 6-Disc In Dash CD Changer with-EJAT $640
Power Tilt/Slide Moonroof w/Sunshade-SRAT $900

The RAV4 2WD V-6 Limited in this case totalled $33,595 with NO doc fee (read: "dealer pack" add-on) and the typical and legitimate $695 for delivery.

As for your minutiae-ilk point about floor mats, the center console of the CR-V is lighted without having to buy a $250 lighting option package. The leather seats, standard on CR-V EX-L, are $1,398-- whether or not they are also heated. Toyota apparently plays a shell game here-- the $1,050 figure you quote is before a separate $440 is added in for heated seats, which otherwise appears as "leather trimmed seats" for $1,398. Either way they package it, you are getting stuck for the $1,398 total.

The best counter you MIGHT have made is that I took as a given that we would get the Toyota RAV4 V-6, which is right at $2k more than its 4cyl. Actually, that is perhaps RAV4's best point-- that you can get the same MPG with a kick-butt engine, BUT you PAY EXTRA for that pocket rocket.

I have the 2007 RAV-4 brochure which CLEARLY shows that the side curtains are an option, but they may have gotten pressured due to competition and CR into including them as a standard item by delivery date on the '07 RAV4, so Toyota's brochure is inaccurate. I am glad to discover this Toyota discrepancy. That misunderstanding was not of my making.

One can get a loaded CR-V EX-L w/o Nav. System for $24,800 plus delivery... we just saw several at the local Honda dealer at this price--period. A 4 cyl RAV4 Limited ($23,105) with leather ($1,398), mats (your figure--$139), moonroof ($900), JBL ($640) comes to $26,182. As a practical matter, and ONE OF MY KEY POINTS, is that the RAV4's ACTUALLY AVAILABLE typically are a good deal more than the loaded CR-V EX-L's. Of the leather 4cyl. RAV4's currently available in the SE, they range from a LOW of $26,100-- plus delivery-- up to $32K+ with excessive fluff. Res ipsa loquitur-- the facts speak for themselves.

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raidencraig,

For someone who apparently knows everything, you make a number of errors.

First, the side curtain and side airbags are standard on every 2007 RAV4. Period. Says so even on the site for GA. You either consulted an incorrect source or read it incorrectly. As I said earlier, you probably looked at 2006 model year information.

Second, I'm about 99% certain that the leather seats in the southeast include heaters (very necessary in Georgia, after all). The national price for leather without heat is $1,050. Heat is usually another $440. So the Southeast, which has an independent distributor, gets a slight price break.

Third, the price I see on the SE site for the floormats alone is $139. The price you noted probably includes a cargo mat, which isn't on the Honda.

On the other hand, the JBL audio does appear to be on every single leather RAV4, so its probably a prerequisite. Doesn't change the fact that its a superior system to that in the Honda. Since you're clearly an audiophile for whom the standard Toyota system would be inadequate, this should be worth something to you.

Turns out that Toyota South in Morrow, GA, has a black/ash RAV4 listed with just the features you want (leather, mats, sunroof, JBL) for $27,437. Available on 10/14. This includes a documentation fee of $499, which seems high to me.

I do notice that most of the other RAV4s listed have a bunch of over-priced dealer-installed crap, but you should be clear that the dealers and not Toyota are the ones doing this. The prices for the factory-installed options are not abnormal.

I don't know about there, but around here you can buy a RAV4 for not too far above invoice. Probably $25,500 at most for this particular vehicle, assuming the doc fee is not negotiable.

I suspect the tranaction price on a CR-V EX-L, MSRP of $25,395 before doc fee, will be at least $25,000. Not so far apart.

You can believe what you want to believe. I just don't want others to be misinformed that the RAV4 must cost significantly more than the CR-V, as this is not the case.

Toyota/Lexus is the only manufacturer for which I don't always accurately display real-life configurations, because they're the only manufacturer that provides different regions with different packages and, on top of this, frequently changes what is available where. Totally crazy system that not even the dealers seem to understand.

[mkaresh]

I took it as a given that no one would fault the RAV4 V6 for costing more than the CR-V. The 4-cylinder RAV is clearly a much more valid comparison, as you recognize.

$1,400 is a reasonable price for heated leather. I use low-end values when adjusting for feature differences, and allow $900 for leather and $300 for heat.

In getting the EX-L, you're paying at least $1,400 for heated leather, it's just baked into the higher base price. The EX-L is $1,950 more than the EX. Other than heated leather, the higher trim includes a console ($150), satellite radio ($200), heated mirrors ($25), and a leather-wrapped steering wheel ($150). You lose the foldaway tray table (-$75). (In parentheses are the values I regularly use for these features, based on the low-end of what they usually cost as options.) Do the math, and Honda charges about $1,500 for heated leather. Pretty much the same as Toyota. Which probably is not a coincidence.

I do not see what it proves to provide the details on the most dealered-up RAV4 in your area, and a V6 at that. As my previous post demonstrated, it is possible to find a RAV4 with the features you want and without any of these overpriced dealer add-ons.

This done, I think we are in agreement that, MSRP to MSRP, the Toyota is perhaps $1,500 more than the Honda. This is already about one-third the price difference implied by your original post.

However, two more things then come into play:

1. Toyotas have large margins, significantly larger than those on Hondas
2. Because the CR-V is very new and in fairly short supply, while the RAV4 is not, Toyota dealers are much more likely to dip deeply into their margin.

End result: not much of a difference in what you'll actually pay.

This isn't even getting into the Toyota's additional content once again: dual zone automatic climate control, power driver seat, roof rack, JBL audio, Bluetooth...

I'm not arguing that someone should buy one versus the other, only that the prices if you find a properly equipped RAV4 are close enough together that price should not be the deciding factor.

[CollegeProf]

Raidencraig,
Have you guys driven both back to back? It sounds as if you've done the research (as I did)-drive them on the same day and sit in the "comparable" vehicles to compare the interiors-I believe you'll make the decision fairly quickly. :)

[mkaresh]

Sounds like the problem might be that he drove the CR-V back-to-back with the V6 RAV4. The power of the V6 turned him on, but the dealer accessorizing turned him off. At which point he might have noticed that the Honda has a nicer interior.