I DON'T KNOW GUYS ABOUT THE NEW CRV

[bluewho25]

I don't know guys, with all those changes, especially the lower ground clearance, cargo space and smaller in length. Plus high prices, I hate to tell you this since I love Hondas and I need an SUV, but the FRICKING 2006 Toyota RAV4 Sport Edition, Silver, Auto, AWD, sunroof and good clearance at $23,200 out the door (except taxes) is starting to look really good, I mean it.The new model will have to be superv in order for us to buy it.
There is no question that we like the 2007 CRV over the 2006 Rav4, but in our case, we are giving up Cargo space and Ground Clearance already.

I guess we will have to see one in person so we can make our final decision, because as today on paper, the RAV4 looks much better.
By the way, between the 2006 Honda CRV and the 2006 Rav4 wich I drove twice already, the Rav4 kicked ass. The Rav4 drives smoother and it handles much better.
Too bad the Rav4 interior looks so cheap and crapy. But I love the Cargo space, more leg room in the rear seats. But the way it handles is the best part. I don't care much for Toyota since they fricking charge you extra for everything, incluiding curtains air bags.
This is only my opinion guys, let me know what you think.

[Dragonfly]

I think everyone's entitled to his opinion. You're the one who has to live with it.

To me, the RAV didn't seem to drive that much better than the V we ended up buying. Agree with you, the RAV interior is a bit cheesy and, while the V is no beauty winner, the RAV wasn't as pretty. The deal we got on our V end of June was better by far than any deal we were offered on a similarly equipped RAV. Plus I found insurance on the RAV was gonna be more than the V, and historical resale value retention lower. Couple that with the fact that the Toyota salesperson never followed up with us and it added up to Advantage Honda for us.

We had to get a vehicle this summer, or we might have waited to check out the '07 V (although I'm not too keen on its looks in the spy pics).

I'm not anti-Toyota - one of my daughters has a Highlander and it's a nice vehicle. You gotta love what You buy, especially if you keep your cars as long as we do.

[Visiting_Guest]

heres the thing. i went to check out the rav4 as well. I almost passed out when i saw the sticker and then went over the truck with a fine comb brush. THE STICKER MAKES NO SENSE. 27,500.??? WHERE IS THAT GOING? the interior is mail truck designed, no flare, nothing on the doors, nothing that emits that sticker, or a high quality plush feeling. The engine, 4 cylinder. this was the Limited, w/o V6, but w/airbags. Other than that, Toyota is very much nickle & dime with their cars, u pay for every little thing. for 27,500, u can get an accord ex-v6, i kno its a car but just price comparison wise, use ur money and get more value with something else. It may ride better, but for 27,500 ill grab a low end murano, the mazda, or anything else for that matter that is worth that sticker. Im not sure what Sport model u checked out for 23grand, but it couldnt have been anything more than a strip model

[Visiting_Guest]

heres the other thing, has HONDA ever let you down??? think about it, all this really is is speculation. Altho we may not like the looks 100%, or ground clearance or something else, honda rewards you in other ways beit standard features, lower prices, residual value, better interiors, etc etc. I cant wait to see this 07. In all honesty besides the more extreme drivers on this board, is an inch or 2 less "ground clearance" really that BIG of a deal? will it affect the way in which u drive the car or its performance? barely, i could see if ur talking like getting a hummer and dropping it to 6 inches off the ground, but guys, this is a CRV we r talking about, not an all terrain vehicle, i say relax and honda will come thru., they always do.

[mcbeevee]

Since I rarely need the full amount of cargo space and I never do any off-roading, the new CR-V is more logical for me. I was not crazy about the new exterior styling at first, but it is growing on me. I've really liked everything I've heard about the interior upgrades. The only show-stopper would be if the price increases too much. :)

[Racoon]

IT'S ALL RUMORS, SPECULATION, AND WISHFUL THINKING UNTIL HONDA OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES THE DETAILS OF THE 2007 CR-V.

Getting all hot and bothered about information you see on the internet that isn't from an official or verifiable source is a waste of energy.

JM2C

[CR-Vince]

The only show-stopper would be if the price increases too much. :)

Ahhh. that's something I won't like seeing as well. I'm not really sure I like seeing every Honda model "grow up." In the early years of the CR-V, the base models could be had for around $17K or so. It was definitely within reach of the "yay I got my first real job" crowd. Perhaps Honda is seeing that these same buyers are maturing and making more money? I guess the Element is solidly in that spot in the lineup now. Kinda like how the Fit slots in nicely into the bottom of the car lineup now that the Civic is as big as an old Accord....

[JustinTime]

AND THE RACOON IS STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVES!!!! :D

IT'S ALL RUMORS, SPECULATION, AND WISHFUL THINKING UNTIL HONDA OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES THE DETAILS OF THE 2007 CR-V.

Getting all hot and bothered about information you see on the internet that isn't from an official or verifiable source is a waste of energy.

JM2C

[liquidfuel88]

AND THE RACOON IS STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVES!!!! :D

IT'S ALL RUMORS, SPECULATION, AND WISHFUL THINKING UNTIL HONDA OFFICIALLY ANNOUNCES THE DETAILS OF THE 2007 CR-V.

Getting all hot and bothered about information you see on the internet that isn't from an official or verifiable source is a waste of energy.

JM2C

careful, im sure racoon has many relatives that live near you and can come bite you at any moment! :lol:

[bing]

Bluewho25, you have a good point. But here's my thought.

Everytime the new RAV4 comes out, it stirs up quite a bit of emotion, especially amongst us Honda lovers. The car looks great on paper and in person, doesn't disappoint.

However, over time, the vehicle doesn't seem to have as much appeal as a CR-V and the Honda seem to have owners who really love them and drive them longer. Now, that's a subjective observation of mine because I still see a lot of 1997-2001 CR-Vs on the road but don't see as many 1996-2000 RAV4s. Hahaha..perhaps I'm blind towards Toyotas!

In any case, my point is wait for the 2007's to come out and I'm sure Honda won't let us down.

Cheers!
Bing

[OSX2000]

I tend to see just as many 1st-gen Ravs as I do Vs. I even saw a 2-door Rav once. I never even knew they made them that way.

[AoS]

I tend to see just as many 1st-gen Ravs as I do Vs. I even saw a 2-door Rav once. I never even knew they made them that way.
It has been quite popular in Europe but they stopped making this 3d version with the 2006 RAV4.

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[sleeksilver]

I even saw a 2-door Rav once. I never even knew they made them that way.

I've seen a few around here :)

[SoFlaDad]

I even saw a 2-door Rav once. I never even knew they made them that way.

I've seen a few around here :)

They are a pretty rare bird for sure.

Not sure if they tariff still exists but the US Govt put a 25% tariff on foreign trucks and 2 door SUVs in the early 1990s. This resulted in the proliferation of the 4 door mini and sport utes that were not deemed trucks as the two door ones were. Remember the first Pathfinders with the two door and triangle rear window? They fast grew doors.

Anyhow, that 2 door RAV is a cool little ride if you can find one.

[bluewho25]

Bluewho25, you have a good point. But here's my thought.

Everytime the new RAV4 comes out, it stirs up quite a bit of emotion, especially amongst us Honda lovers. The car looks great on paper and in person, doesn't disappoint.

However, over time, the vehicle doesn't seem to have as much appeal as a CR-V and the Honda seem to have owners who really love them and drive them longer. Now, that's a subjective observation of mine because I still see a lot of 1997-2001 CR-Vs on the road but don't see as many 1996-2000 RAV4s. Hahaha..perhaps I'm blind towards Toyotas!

In any case, my point is wait for the 2007's to come out and I'm sure Honda won't let us down.
Cheers!
Bing

Hey Bing, good points there too.
I am a fanatic when it comes to cars. I purchased so many cars in the past twelve years that it is ridiculus to put a price on how much money I lost. I got a bunch of Fords, Chevy and Dodge, and my first car was an 1987 VW Rabbit (worse piece of crop). My point is that I lost lots of money fixing those cars because they always break down.
But in 2003 I got my first Honda Accord V6, it's been the best car that I ever owned. I am sure that a Lexus or BMW will ride better than the V6 Accord but under my budget, Honda is the best.
I owned five Hondas since 2003, three Accords and two CRVs. I never owned a Toyota and I am sure they are good cars but, I mentioned many times before, they charge you extra for everything especially curtain air bags.
Before I got my 2006 Honda Accord SE, I waited to check out the new Camry and we did choose the Accord because the interior design and the fact that it is a Honda.
Bing, you are right about everything you said regarding Hondas and yes, we will wait till the new CRV comes out and see it in person. Another thing that I kind of like about the new RAV4 is that, it is biggger. I know what you guys are gonna say, the new CRV will be built with ACE safety, but sometimes I still belive that size matters and the new RAV4 will do really good in front and side crashes.
I am big when it comes to safety, since my three year old darlign and wife will be riding in it.

Hey guys, in another note, how much did you pay for your CRV? did you get a good deal? what will you do different when purchasing a new CRV or other car regarding the price? Where you prepared to deal with the salesman? can you share some good points on purchasing a new or used vehicle so others like me can learn from it?

Thanks guys, I really enjoyed and learned so much more about Hondas since I joined this forum.

[Dragonfly]

Hey guys, in another note, how much did you pay for your CRV? did you get a good deal? what will you do different when purchasing a new CRV or other car regarding the price? Where you prepared to deal with the salesman? can you share some good points on purchasing a new or used vehicle so others like me can learn from it?

You'll find some of that info searching here, but there's a major thread (http://townhall-talk.edmunds.com/WebX/.f0a073a.ef11a94/3336)on this over at Edmunds which I found to be invaluable when we bought ours a month ago.

[Racoon]

AND THE RACOON IS STARTING TO GET ON MY NERVES!!!!
careful, im sure racoon has many relatives that live near you and can come bite you at any moment! :lol:
Naw. I'll just have them tip over your garbage cans.

;)

[bing]

I paid $100 over invoice for my 2003 CR-V. Best way I've learned is contact the "internet" department at the dealerships nearest you and have them give you their best price. You should know exactly what you want; color, trim, accessories, and when you want to pick it up. I've bought all my cars this way since 1993 and have done well...except my 1997 CR-V which I got screwed because I really wanted one. :?

Anyways, I like size too which is why my kids ride in the Ody! Looked at the Highlander...nah, then Sequoia...double nah, Land Cruiser...ouch. Can't get myself to own a RAV4 even though Toyota quality is excellent.

The competition is getting tough and we'll see how the CR-V stands up to the heat provided by Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Ford and Jeep!

[sledsfo]

when you're negotiating with the fleet manager and he needs to check with his sales or general manager with the price you just offered on his CRV. If that happens, you're probably cutting into holdback and into his commission.

[4hondaowner]

I could go and buy one of those Rav things but I'm afraid some of the racoon's I've seen in the woods behind our house could be some of "Racoon's" relatives. I have a H tattoed on my chest.

[Bostonlou]

I paid $100 over invoice for my 2003 CR-V. Best way I've learned is contact the "internet" department at the dealerships nearest you and have them give you their best price. You should know exactly what you want; color, trim, accessories, and when you want to pick it up. I've bought all my cars this way since 1993 and have done well...except my 1997 CR-V which I got screwed because I really wanted one. :?

Anyways, I like size too which is why my kids ride in the Ody! Looked at the Highlander...nah, then Sequoia...double nah, Land Cruiser...ouch. Can't get myself to own a RAV4 even though Toyota quality is excellent.

The competition is getting tough and we'll see how the CR-V stands up to the heat provided by Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Ford and Jeep!

I'm in the same boat

Everytime I see the new RAV4 I think I should check it out but then my allegiance (since 97) to the CR-V won't allow me to do it

although I didn't realize the RAV4 is bigger? how is this possible? someone want to fill me in??

[bluewho25]

I paid $100 over invoice for my 2003 CR-V. Best way I've learned is contact the "internet" department at the dealerships nearest you and have them give you their best price. You should know exactly what you want; color, trim, accessories, and when you want to pick it up. I've bought all my cars this way since 1993 and have done well...except my 1997 CR-V which I got screwed because I really wanted one. :?

Anyways, I like size too which is why my kids ride in the Ody! Looked at the Highlander...nah, then Sequoia...double nah, Land Cruiser...ouch. Can't get myself to own a RAV4 even though Toyota quality is excellent.

The competition is getting tough and we'll see how the CR-V stands up to the heat provided by Hyundai, Toyota, Nissan, Ford and Jeep!

I'm in the same boat

Everytime I see the new RAV4 I think I should check it out but then my allegiance (since 97) to the CR-V won't allow me to do it

although I didn't realize the RAV4 is bigger? how is this possible? someone want to fill me in??


2006 Rav4 compared to the 2006 Honda CRV:

Passenger Volume 2 more cubic ft. of passenger space (108.2 vs 106).
That info is according to vehix.com

I did tested the 2006 RAV4 and it handles better and road noise is much lower than the 2006 Honda CRV. Also, while seated on the back seat, it was so more comfortable and roomier.

[mcbeevee]

although I didn't realize the RAV4 is bigger? how is this possible?
Only the new 2006 RAV4 is bigger. The 1995-2005 RAV4's are smaller than the CR-V.

[Bostonlou]

2006 Rav4 compared to the 2006 Honda CRV:

Passenger Volume 2 more cubic ft. of passenger space (108.2 vs 106).
That info is according to vehix.com

I did tested the 2006 RAV4 and it handles better and road noise is much lower than the 2006 Honda CRV. Also, while seated on the back seat, it was so more comfortable and roomier.

i'm literally shocked

i can't believe the back seat is roomier

what about the space behind the seat... that can't be equal?

[bluewho25]

2006 Rav4 compared to the 2006 Honda CRV:

Passenger Volume 2 more cubic ft. of passenger space (108.2 vs 106).
That info is according to vehix.com

I did tested the 2006 RAV4 and it handles better and road noise is much lower than the 2006 Honda CRV. Also, while seated on the back seat, it was so more comfortable and roomier.

i'm literally shocked

i can't believe the back seat is roomier

what about the space behind the seat... that can't be equal?

You mean the Cargo Space on the new RAV4?
I hate to tell you but that is what of the things I like the most, it is huge. On the cargo area you have some handels (behing the seats on the side) just pull them from the cargo area (from the back) and the seats fold down in a very easy way. Then on the Cargo Space Floor, you have a big compartment (really cool)
The one thing I don't like about the Rav4 is the Dashboard. It looks to cheap.
Like some one else mentioned before, you are the one that have to live with it, so go ahead and check out the new Rav4, you don't have to buy it.
That is where I am now, I am waiting for the new CRV, I already took the Rav4 for a road test twice.

[huntnman]

Hey all, I just registered and am lookin forward to readin all y'all's stories and comments. I am a very proud father of an '00 CR-V SE. I truly agree that once you've been lucky enough to own a Honda, there is nothing else that compares. I was an "All American Ford Man" until I wrapped my pride and joy Ranger XLT 4X4 around a tree after hydroplaning off the highway @ 60 mph. I needed somethin a lil lower but still fully capable of handlin all the hoosier stuff I'd do with it. I saw my Alpine White CuRVe and after bein able to slide right in while in a leg brace and sling, I bought it the same day, love at first sight I guess. Anyway now that I've said my piece I should probably get some flatterin photos of her so y'all can see my baby CuRVe!

[mcbeevee]

I wrapped my pride and joy Ranger XLT 4X4 around a tree after hydroplaning off the highway @ 60 mph.
That could have turned out really bad. Thankfully, you survived and became a CR-V owner...2 good things! :D

[Robert]

Huntnman, congrats and welcome to the board. I, too have a 1st Gen. white V. Where are you located?

[huntnman]

Hey Tex (Robert) that Safari bar kicks a**!! How can I get a hold of one??? I'm in Missouri by the way, St. Charles< Just outside St Louis. Also, You mention a tow hitch, I've seen them on many Vs but if I remember correctly from the owner's manual, the towing capacity is kinda limited, any comments? Another question I have is an enigma that the dealer supply shops couldn't even answer, what goes in the pocket in the tailgate? I know for every thing there is a place and every place a thing, but nobody knows a thing about this place.

[Bostonlou]

2006 Rav4 compared to the 2006 Honda CRV:

Passenger Volume 2 more cubic ft. of passenger space (108.2 vs 106).
That info is according to vehix.com

I did tested the 2006 RAV4 and it handles better and road noise is much lower than the 2006 Honda CRV. Also, while seated on the back seat, it was so more comfortable and roomier.

i'm literally shocked

i can't believe the back seat is roomier

what about the space behind the seat... that can't be equal?

You mean the Cargo Space on the new RAV4?
I hate to tell you but that is what of the things I like the most, it is huge. On the cargo area you have some handels (behing the seats on the side) just pull them from the cargo area (from the back) and the seats fold down in a very easy way. Then on the Cargo Space Floor, you have a big compartment (really cool)
The one thing I don't like about the Rav4 is the Dashboard. It looks to cheap.
Like some one else mentioned before, you are the one that have to live with it, so go ahead and check out the new Rav4, you don't have to buy it.
That is where I am now, I am waiting for the new CRV, I already took the Rav4 for a road test twice.

don't you feel dirty after driving the Rav?? ;)

and as dumb as this is... I feel like the RAV4 is a chicks car ... and so does my wife

couldn't they rename it the Thunder or something ;)


I guess I'll check it out when the time comes.


Anyone in the Boston area wants to speed up this process and buy my green EX 02 ... just give me a yell ;)

[Varmint]

2006 Rav4 compared to the 2006 Honda CRV:

Passenger Volume 2 more cubic ft. of passenger space (108.2 vs 106).
That info is according to vehix.com

I did tested the 2006 RAV4 and it handles better and road noise is much lower than the 2006 Honda CRV. Also, while seated on the back seat, it was so more comfortable and roomier.

i'm literally shocked

i can't believe the back seat is roomier

what about the space behind the seat... that can't be equal?

If you look at the linear measurements, the CR-V has more legroom, hip room, shoulder room, and such. The new RAV4 has slightly better numbers for the front seat. But sometimes those numbers are misleading.

In the cargo area, the CR-V has a slight edge in terms of cubic footage. But, again, cubic footage can be misleading.

Having looked at both of them, I think most people will find them about the same.

Bing made a good point earlier about the RAV4 always earning some attention when a new one first arrives on the market. Historically, it then fades into the background. But I think Toyota got it right this time and Honda got it wrong.

The main reason why the 1st and 2nd RAVs failed to kee the spotlight for very long was because the CR-V was always the better family vehicle. The Honda has always had more space than the Toyota and a better mix of features for a good price. Toyota offered lots of toys to make up for the lack of space, but few people buy 'em loaded.

This time around, it looks like the CR-V got smaller, while the RAV4 got bigger. And it looks like Honda expects extra doodads like NAV, variable intermittent wipers, pwr seats, and such will make it a favorite.

That strategy has never worked for anyone in the past. I have no idea why Honda thinks it will work the CR-V. Many buyers in the small SUV market are just shoppers who want a mid-size, but cannot afford it. They will spend their money on extra room, but not extra gizmos.

[ukrkoz]

heres the other thing, has HONDA ever let you down???........ but guys, this is a CRV we r talking about, not an all terrain vehicle, i say relax and honda will come thru., they always do.

we have a saying back in old country - gypsy always praises his children. i bet everyone here who's "hardcore honda fanatic no matter what", has honda and, probably, only honda. so, like i said - gypsy....

no, i do not think honda will get you thru; does not look like it always does either. not anymore, at least. something crumbled in the mr. honda kingdom and his product is no more numero uno in quality; only number seven; that is correct - seven. not even in the best five; not number four, that happens to be cadillac; not number three, that happens to be buick; not even number two, who - blasphamous as it is to mention the make - is mercury! ford, pos ford topped honda! who gets numero uno and number five - well you guessed it right, boys and girls - TOYOTA! lexus and toyota.

as of price: 2006 cr-v sits in lots for sale for 25plus big ones. 2006 rav4 - out the door for 20 grand. (foer one who saw them for 27K - come here to seattle, or go shop in nashville. or simply buy one off toyota website - still around 20K)
is cr-v worth those 5 grand premium over rav4? no. they are the same cars. only someone really nitpicky will argue on inch difference here and there and interior prefernces. de gustibus non disputandum est! otherwise, they are the same. except that lousy 160hp engine (for this car, great engine otherwise!) will be beaten to death by 269hp monster that you get for 25 grand out the door in rav4. and you can argue this or argue that - crv engine is underpowered, was underpowered, and will stay underpowered, even after what they call "mild power upgrade". and i can telll the difference because i have 2.4 ivtec sitting in garage next to 3.0 vvti toyota motor. what a difference it is!

[etc]

and we have a saying in old coutry too - people who change their likes
based on whos numero uno - we call them turncoats :wink: :lol:

[jbelchgmail]

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as of price: 2006 cr-v sits in lots for sale for 25plus big ones. 2006 rav4 - out the door for 20 grand. (foer one who saw them for 27K - come here to seattle, or go shop in nashville. or simply buy one off toyota website - still around 20K)
is cr-v worth those 5 grand premium over rav4? no. they are the same cars. only someone really nitpicky will argue on inch difference here and there and interior prefernces. de gustibus non disputandum est! otherwise, they are the same. except that lousy 160hp engine (for this car, great engine otherwise!) will be beaten to death by 269hp monster that you get for 25 grand out the door in rav4. and you can argue this or argue that - crv engine is underpowered, was underpowered, and will stay underpowered, even after what they call "mild power upgrade". and i can telll the difference because i have 2.4 ivtec sitting in garage next to 3.0 vvti toyota motor. what a difference it is![/quote]

Better yet, get a Pilot with more power, more room, and comparable MPG to the V6 Rav 4 for about the same or less than a Rav 4. I just picked up a 2006 EX 4WD Pilot for 26,000 out the door! :lol:

[bluewho25]

heres the other thing, has HONDA ever let you down???........ but guys, this is a CRV we r talking about, not an all terrain vehicle, i say relax and honda will come thru., they always do.

we have a saying back in old country - gypsy always praises his children. i bet everyone here who's "hardcore honda fanatic no matter what", has honda and, probably, only honda. so, like i said - gypsy....

no, i do not think honda will get you thru; does not look like it always does either. not anymore, at least. something crumbled in the mr. honda kingdom and his product is no more numero uno in quality; only number seven; that is correct - seven. not even in the best five; not number four, that happens to be cadillac; not number three, that happens to be buick; not even number two, who - blasphamous as it is to mention the make - is mercury! ford, pos ford topped honda! who gets numero uno and number five - well you guessed it right, boys and girls - TOYOTA! lexus and toyota.

as of price: 2006 cr-v sits in lots for sale for 25plus big ones. 2006 rav4 - out the door for 20 grand. (foer one who saw them for 27K - come here to seattle, or go shop in nashville. or simply buy one off toyota website - still around 20K)
is cr-v worth those 5 grand premium over rav4? no. they are the same cars. only someone really nitpicky will argue on inch difference here and there and interior prefernces. de gustibus non disputandum est! otherwise, they are the same. except that lousy 160hp engine (for this car, great engine otherwise!) will be beaten to death by 269hp monster that you get for 25 grand out the door in rav4. and you can argue this or argue that - crv engine is underpowered, was underpowered, and will stay underpowered, even after what they call "mild power upgrade". and i can telll the difference because i have 2.4 ivtec sitting in garage next to 3.0 vvti toyota motor. what a difference it is!

You said that CRVs are on the lot for about $25K and that you can get a RAV4 for $20K?
Let me add this, I went thru so many cars in the last twelve years that it will be ridiculous to mention how much money I lost, till I started using Hondas in 2003. I mentioned many times what I think about Toyota Vs. Honda, Toyota are good cars but the company is too greedy, to the point that they charge you extra for evrething, especially for safety, like charging you for side curtain bags in most of their fleet.

Back to those prices you mentioned and my experiences with cars, I am very agressive when it comes to F#@ing Car salesman, I love to deal with them because I play their own game, what do I mean?
I can get a 2006 Toyota Rav4 Sport, Sunroof, curtain air bags, AWD and I4 for $23K out the door (except taxes)
But I can also get the 2006 Rav4 Base FWD W/O curtain air bags for $19K, yeah, so do not compare a FWD 2006 Rav4 W/O curtain air bags
with a 2006 Honda AWD CRV EX with leather. Better yet, I can negociate the price for the 2006 CRV EX-L with local dealerships in my area and get it for $24K out the door (except taxes).
So please don't make an ASS out of yourself in comparing totally different models.

You want to compare? here is my take
I can get a 2006 Toyota Rav4 Sport, Sunroof, curtain air bags, AWD and I4 for $23K out the door (except taxes) and I can get the 2006 Honda AWD CRV-EX auto for $22,500 out the door (except taxes)

Now, wich car will I buy? I will agree with you on that one. My choice today will be the 2006 RAv4 Toyota.
Next month based on what we know today about the 2007 Honda CRV, I will buy the Honda CRV. No doubt about it, because the Rav4 looks to cheesy inside and the fact that Toyota is too greedy, I will stick with Honda.

AND, LET ME SAY IT NOW PEOPLE, LET ME MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, THE NEW 2007 CRV WILL BE A BEST PICK, HEAD AND SIDE CAR CRASH TEST AT www.iihs.org. YES, LET ME MAKE THAT CLEAR, LET ME BE THE FIRST ONE TO GO AHEAD AND PREDICT THAT.
And based on that alone, since I need an SUV by the end of the year, I will buy the 2007 CRV, since my three year old and wife will be riding in it!!!!!!!!!!

Honda will always be NUMERO UNO in my house and
Toyota owner's son unos desgraciados, come mierdas, pepena chencas, borrachos, busca velorios, come cuando hay, hijo de la gran puta i mamarrachos!!!!!!


AHHHHHHHHH, that felt good.

Later,

EL GUAPO

[Visiting_Guest]

umm.. for 25K u get the top of the line loaded crv with leather fogs, airbags all around 6 disc et etc. for 20k with a rav u could just as well get a 20k crv. I was talking 25k crv compared to a midline less equipped toyota at 25. u really dont make any sense im comparing what 25k gets u for a honda and 25k gets u in a toyota. basically, honda wins, regardless of what brand we like.

whoa whoa whoa ukroz - ur comparing apples to oranges. 20k rav4 doesnt come close to a crv. that is 4 tires & a steering wheel. I said a 27k rav w/v6 is overpriced when u compare it to the top o line crv at 25. thats where my comparison is

I couldnt help but feel ripped off by toyota when i went to see the rav, thats what my impression was, u dont get much for ur money

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u would have to steal my family away from me before i would spend 1 cent on a BUICK before a Honda lol do urself a favor and go open the consumer reports buying guide for 06 - please point out which caddys and buicks top their rankings for reliability, quality etc and ill buy U THE CAR. i believe honda is at the top in all but a few catagories for their vehicles . ...buick