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actfray
07-07-2006, 10:59 PM
I've had my 2005 CR-V for almost a year, only 10,000 miles on it. Bought it brand new. Still under warranty. It's an automatic (my mistake, I know).

Anyway, recently I've had trouble starting the car. When I turn the key, nothing happens. No sounds, no cranking. This has happened about 4 times. Usually I will wait a few seconds and then try again, in which case, it will then start. But today I tried to start it and it wouldn't crank for 30 minutes. I had to call AAA for a tow to get it to the service dept. When the tow truck driver got to my home I tried one more time, and of course it started right up. I took it to Honda anyway and was told unless they can duplicate the problem, there's nothing they can do for me. They did check the battery, connections, etc, but found nothing wrong. It started every time in their shop, and they told me I'd have to wait until it happens again and then bring it in and hope it still doesn't start when it's in their presence. He did suggest that the key may be defective and to use my duplicate if the problem arises again.

Obviously, I'm furious. Hondas are suppose to be one of the most dependable automobiles on the planet, but I now have to hold my breath every time I try to start the car. I've had this problem with cars that have over 100,000 miles on them, but this vehicle is practically brand new.

Is there anything I can do or suggest to the mechanic ("technician") to perhaps locate the problem before I'm left stranded somewhere?

Thanks!

skyout
07-08-2006, 12:23 AM
Welcome to HondaSUV.com.

Sorry to hear of your problem. I would recommend keeping a log of the problem, going back to the first occurance. You didn't let us know where you are (Hint: profile/location) but in Florida, lemon law gives them 3 tries to fix the problem; not sure if there's a time limit from purchase. I can understand not being able to fix it if the problem isn't there when they're working on it but they should have been able to possibly change whatever part they thought would be the culprit. I'm afraid I would have demanded a new key after his explaination. I have heard having too many other keys on the key chain will cause ignition problems. Hopefully someone on the board will have some ideas for you. Good luck.

roadster
07-08-2006, 06:03 AM
skyout just a comment on lemon law
3x at the shop within a 30 day period.so if the car is in there for one day, came back 5 days later and 25 days later nope n o lemon law

a log is a useful as a person harrassing you and telling a cop hey he harrased and battered me.

so what I would do is FILM it every single time you try to start.

I would sit out all day and fool around with it by the dealer and try my best to say hey it happ'ed fix it.

Deke40
07-08-2006, 06:08 AM
I also own a 05 CRV and the same starting problem happened to me while on vacation in Colorado in the middle of nowhere. It actually happened 3 or 4 times and I had to drive a couple hundred miles out of my way to have it looked at.

I got the same story from the tech that you did.

If mine doesn't start I usually move the shift lever around, as this can be one of the problems, and mine usually starts. They also told me it could be the key. My wife drives the car most of the time and this has never happened to her. I haven't had the problem in about a month or so.

Be sure and post back if you find a solution.

After reading all the post on here about a\c compressor problems on the CRVs I went ahead and bought a 5\84K extended warranty(I already had 15K on it so couldn't get the 7\120K one). Be sure and shop around as I saved almost $300 by buying it online from a dealer in R.I. I am located in Texas south of Houston.

'Curly Q Links'
07-08-2006, 09:03 AM
It's probably the immobilizer not reading the key properly, or the system is locked out because the shift linkage is out of adjustment. I was having the latter on my '97, but it's common to all automatic Hondas. I have the Helms manual, and the adjustment for the linkage is identical to the one in the Civic recall, except our adjustment is under the steering column. I did it the other day while I was installing my OEM car alarm and it works much better now.

Shifter linkage recall (civic)
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/civic/x94-010e.pdf

Immobilizer info (Accord)
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/accord/x02-053e.pdf

Gen II PDI sheets (very interesting reading!!):
http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/tsb/crv/x01-094e.pdf

GING
07-08-2006, 09:40 AM
When it non starts chek to see if the GREEN KEY is flashing on the dash if it is flashing it is a key problem if there is no GREEN KEY then the immobilizer unit is at fault :)

actfray
07-08-2006, 02:49 PM
Thanks, everyone, for your replies.

The green key light does appear when I start the car, but it goes out after a few seconds (as does all the other lights on the dash). If it does turn out to be a key problem, why would the key go bad after only one year? I was told those keys cost $92 to replace.

The other problem is that the 3-yr. warranty does not cover any repairs or diagnostic tests performed unless the car is having a specific problem. The guy in the service dept. told me that they can't just do random testing or else they'd have to charge me.

By the way, I live in Sherman Oaks, CA but I bought the car in High Point, NC. I moved to Los Angeles last year and drove the car cross country. I had no problems at all on the road trip which makes me wonder why this starting problem didn't occur right after I bought the car.

J B
07-08-2006, 03:18 PM
i had a 92 accord that did a similar thing
didn't have the fancy RF keys that they use today though
it would start perfectly for about 6 months or so, then for a few days in a row, you would turn the key and get nothing...radio, lights, etc would work
sometimes it would not work for about 2 or 3 turns of the key in succession then work
sometimes it wouldn't work when you tried 2 or 3 times, would wait about 30 minutes, go back and try and it would start right up
it was very intermittent and i never did figure out what was wrong or why it was doing it

norsepanda
07-08-2006, 03:26 PM
i want to vote for a "neutral safety switch" problem. it's connected to the auto transmission linkage and won't allow the starter to crank if it thinks the transmission is in the wrong gear.
my understanding of the immobilizer is that it cuts off fuel, but would allow the starter to crank. i haven't looked that up, so could be wrong.
my V doesn't have an AT, so i don't have a example to look at.

wildswing
07-08-2006, 04:24 PM
Sounds to me like the neutral safety switch. I think norsepanda is correct in that the key will allow the starter to crank but won't start unless the imobilizer recogizes it.

On a side note, you mentioned that you called a tow truck. Does your CR-V have RT4WD? If so it cannot be towed with only 2 wheels up. It must be put on a flatbed or dolly so that none of the wheels turn while being towed otherwise you could severly damage the RT4WD unit in the rear end. I suppose you could tow it like they do behind an RV (toad) with all 4 on the ground but that requires some prep work as mentioned in the owners manual.

norsepanda
07-08-2006, 10:46 PM
yes, for flat towing AT "V", you need to start it up and run thru all gears, according to the manual. difficult to do when it won't start. <grin>

actfray
07-08-2006, 11:47 PM
Mine is 2WD, but the tow truck that showed up was a flatbed. Incidentally, tonight I tried to start the car with my duplicate master key (with remote) as well as the valet key, and neither one would work. Because the green key light does not blink when the ignition is in the "II" position, my guess is the problem is not with any of the keys. A few minutes later, the car did start, and I did not have any problems with it for the rest of the evening (and I started it 2 more times). However, tomorrow is another day, and I'm not at all convinced that it won't happen again. In fact, the guy at the Honda service dept. told me he can almost guarantee it will happen again.

If this continues without the technicians finding a cause, do I have any recourse to trade it in for another CR-V with the same features (without having to pay any taxes, fees, etc)? I refuse to accept this ignition flaw as part of the car's normal operation.

GING
07-09-2006, 01:12 AM
IT IS NOT NORMAL OPERATION. if the GREEN LIGHT comes on an then goes off every time it is NOT an immobilizer problem (that is working ok)
it could be the ignition swithch the part at the back of the ignition barrel get them to checck it for dirt and arcing.

barbecuesauce99
07-09-2006, 05:57 AM
When I turn the key, nothing happens. No sounds, no cranking

I have the key with no chip in it and it cranks when I try to start the engine with that key. (I can't start the engine but at least it cranks)

You'd better record it with your camcorder and call Honda usa directly.
At least you shouldn't be charged for check up to see what's wrong.

What if you try the engine in neutral? :?:

blucrve
07-09-2006, 06:11 AM
Is this only in 2005 CRV's. My 03 with about 42,000 miles have never had any starting problems ( knock on wood), well, actually a couple of times in the past 3 1/2 years I've owned it, it would crank weakly like the battery is drained, but it start right back up. I'm not saying it's your battery since you already mentioned that, but also check and see if there are any recalls. Hope this helps!

norsepanda
07-09-2006, 06:52 PM
When I turn the key, nothing happens. No sounds, no cranking

I have the key with no chip in it and it cranks when I try to start the engine with that key. (I can't start the engine but at least it cranks)

You'd better record it with your camcorder and call Honda usa directly.
At least you shouldn't be charged for check up to see what's wrong.

What if you try the engine in neutral? :?:

that's a good idea because the transmission linkage gets moved to put it in neutral and hopefully gets the neutral safety switch in the correct position.

actfray
07-11-2006, 03:39 AM
Today I took the CR-V to the shop and told them to keep it as long as necessary until it failed to start for them. Lo and behold, I got a call this afternoon telling me that it had indeed failed to start after numerous tries. They said that either the range switch or the ignition switch had gone bad and to be safe, they were going to replace both (under warranty of course). I asked the guy how either could go bad after only 10,000 miles, and he said that "it sometimes happens". The fact that they don't know why scares me. I hope this isn't indicative of what I have to look forward to for the next 250,000 miles or so.

barbecuesauce99
07-11-2006, 06:59 AM
At least you found what's wrong with it and willing to fix it so hope it would be all right now.

'Curly Q Links'
07-11-2006, 10:12 AM
. . . . . I asked the guy how either could go bad after only 10,000 miles, and he said that "it sometimes happens". The fact that they don't know why scares me. I hope this isn't indicative of what I have to look forward to for the next 250,000 miles or so.
They build a few million vehicles every year. A few will have bad parts in them. You got one of the bad parts.

At least you didn't buy a Volkswagen Toureg (or any other VW, for that matter).
:oops:

They should have been able to tell you if it was one or the other. Poor diagnostic procedure. They get PAID TWICE by Honda. What do they care??
:roll:

norsepanda
07-11-2006, 10:57 AM
so the good news is that your V will now have a new ignition switch and a new range (neutral safety) switch.
the bad news is that neither of them will have been "burned in". but that will happen w/ time.

"burn in" is a process applied to some electronic components to cull out the weak ones. the burn in should stress the component enough to kill off the marginally defective ones, but not harm the good ones. burn in generally increases the cost/price of the components.

sleeksilver
07-11-2006, 12:33 PM
I asked the guy how either could go bad after only 10,000 miles, and he said that "it sometimes happens". The fact that they don't know why scares me. I hope this isn't indicative of what I have to look forward to for the next 250,000 miles or so.

Nothing is perfect :roll:

It was one problem, it's not a precursor to the future that many things will fail. Just like curly said....

actfray
07-12-2006, 03:06 AM
Well, today the guy at the Honda shop told me they replaced those 2 parts, but that's because those are the 2 parts they thought had gone bad. When I asked him what he meant, he told me that they never actually got a code telling them what actually went wrong. He assured me that my problem was solved and asked me to let them keep it one more night so they could drive it around and stop and start it a few times. I have no problem with that (because they're trying to cover their ass), but I'm a little nervous knowing they took an educated guess at which parts to replace. I don't think for a second that they're trying rip me off, but I just wish they had gotten a true code from their computers so they could determine precisely what went wrong.

I'm picking the car up tomorrow and will post on this board any further developments (of which I hope there are none).

Thanks again to all you folks who contributed to this thread to help me pinpoint the problem!


Craig

blueiedgod
07-12-2006, 06:04 AM
Well, today the guy at the Honda shop told me they replaced those 2 parts, but that's because those are the 2 parts they thought had gone bad. When I asked him what he meant, he told me that they never actually got a code telling them what actually went wrong. He assured me that my problem was solved and asked me to let them keep it one more night so they could drive it around and stop and start it a few times. I have no problem with that (because they're trying to cover their ass), but I'm a little nervous knowing they took an educated guess at which parts to replace. I don't think for a second that they're trying rip me off, but I just wish they had gotten a true code from their computers so they could determine precisely what went wrong.

I'm picking the car up tomorrow and will post on this board any further developments (of which I hope there are none).

Thanks again to all you folks who contributed to this thread to help me pinpoint the problem!


Craig


Hate to break it to you, but that is what Doctors do when they diagnose a problem. They make Educated guesses, so are you going to stop seeing doctors?

Seems like the dealer is doing everything in his power to correct the problem.

wildswing
07-12-2006, 07:10 AM
Hate to break it to you, but that is what Doctors do when they diagnose a problem. They make Educated guesses...Seems like the dealer is doing everything in his power to correct the problem.
I have to agree. Troubleshooting intermittant problems can be a nightmare. Sometimes the root cause doesn't just jump out at you.

Craig, as for your wish for a code of some sort, unfortunately the computer doesn't control absolutely everything (yet). If it doesn't see the request to start, because of an ignition switch failure or transmission interlock, it doesn't know there's anything wrong (I'm at work right now so I'm assuming the trx interlock is hardwired in series with the ignition "start" and not a soft input into the computer)

Deke40
07-12-2006, 07:16 AM
I was going to drop my wife's CRV off to be detailed the other day and decided to use the valet key and it wouldn't start. This had only happened with my key before. Moved the shift lever around and back to park and it started.

I am leaning toward the neutral switch as being the problem but unless I can have it do it at the dealer they will not do anything. You would think that seeing this is happening on quite a few CRVs they would have figured out the problem and come op with a fix.

mdugan7000
07-12-2006, 09:50 AM
Well, today the guy at the Honda shop told me they replaced those 2 parts, but that's because those are the 2 parts they thought had gone bad. When I asked him what he meant, he told me that they never actually got a code telling them what actually went wrong. He assured me that my problem was solved and asked me to let them keep it one more night so they could drive it around and stop and start it a few times. I have no problem with that (because they're trying to cover heir ass), but I'm a little nervous knowing they took an educated guess at which parts to replace. I don't think for a second that they're trying rip me off, but I just wish they had gotten a true code from their computers so they could determine precisely what went wrong.

I'm picking the car up tomorrow and will post on this board any further developments (of which I hope there are none).

Thanks again to all you folks who contributed to this thread to help me pinpoint the problem!

Craig

There are no "electronic parts" to burn in on a neutral safety switch or the ignition switch. Even if equipped with the immobilizer, the immobilizer is not a part of the actual switch. These are mechanical devices that cause another circuit to either energize or not.

These parts cannot "give a code". It also would have taken them more time to figure out exactly which of the 2 parts were bad than to simply replace them both. They are both located in the same approximate area and need a portion of the dash removed to get at them. Be happy they didn't guess and do the wrong one, leaving you stranded again some other time.

actfray
07-12-2006, 02:02 PM
Well, the saga continues. The Honda guy called me today to give me the news that there is still a problem. Despite replacing the range switch and ignition switch, the car still won't start. So today, he ordered a new starter and told me that is the only other thing it could be. He said everything else checks out fine. He also told me that in 10 years working for Honda he's never seen anything like this happen to a CR-V with only 10,000 miles on it. They're going to give me a rental car until they're convinced they've nailed the problem.

Craig

blueiedgod
07-13-2006, 06:25 AM
Well, the saga continues. The Honda guy called me today to give me the news that there is still a problem. Despite replacing the range switch and ignition switch, the car still won't start. So today, he ordered a new starter and told me that is the only other thing it could be. He said everything else checks out fine. He also told me that in 10 years working for Honda he's never seen anything like this happen to a CR-V with only 10,000 miles on it. They're going to give me a rental car until they're convinced they've nailed the problem.

Craig

It could be the brake switch (I think you have to press the parking brake on auto versions to start the car), or the immobilizer programming (I assume the dealer or you took all other keys off the key ring).

n4dou
06-17-2008, 07:32 PM
Any updates on this thread? I have a 2005 CRV with 30000 miles 2WD and it has begun to not start unless you play with the automatic transmission shift lever and put your foot on the brake. This has happened twice in the last couple of months. Thanks for any ideas and/or updates.

John

sgtsandman
06-17-2008, 07:34 PM
Sounds like your shift interlock switch is going bad.

n4dou
06-17-2008, 07:42 PM
Thanks for the help. Is that that the interlock that prevents you from putting the transmission in reverse while driving?

J

sgtsandman
06-17-2008, 07:44 PM
Yep. I think it is located on the upper right side of the steering column but you are a generation separated from mine, so I could be wrong.

n4dou
06-17-2008, 07:49 PM
That gives me somewhere to start. I really don't want to take it to the dealership if I can avoid it. I appreciate your help Sgt.

J

n4dou
06-17-2008, 08:46 PM
Well Lo and behold I think it is my battery because I have lost my radio code and there is no green in the battery window. Also, I realized that I have about a month and a half left in my new car warranty and I am under 36000 miles. So I am going to the Honda dealership and see what they say.

JS

n4dou
06-20-2008, 07:00 PM
I took it to the dealership and they found no problem. The car started up all day long. They were very curteous and did not charge me for the testing. I guess that I will have to wait until it does again or let them keep the car for a few days.

J

sleeksilver
06-20-2008, 07:18 PM
Add some distilled water to the battery....

n4dou
06-22-2008, 09:05 AM
Thanks Mitch, the fluid level was below the end of the sleeve that extends into the battery. The battery still doesn't show a green light, but seems to be fine. I have never seen sleeves in the battery fills before and I put a little too much distilled water into them and some of it is coming out of the weep holes, but not much.

Thanks again

J

'Curly Q Links'
06-22-2008, 11:30 PM
I've never found that topping up a battery made any difference. They were all well-shot by the time I tried that trick. I'm too cheap that way. (and I always added too much anyway).

:oops:

n4dou
06-24-2008, 09:24 PM
So far so good. The CRV is starting OK and the radio is keeping its programming. I am considering changing the battery anyway, for piece of mind, since it is 3 years old and the car has 30,000 miles on it.

J

wrenchingaround
06-25-2008, 06:12 AM
I am considering changing the battery anyway, for piece of mind, since it is 3 years old and the car has 30,000 miles on it.


Yikes! Mine is just about 9 yrs old. :shock:

sleeksilver
06-25-2008, 07:39 AM
So far so good. The CRV is starting OK and the radio is keeping its programming. I am considering changing the battery anyway, for piece of mind, since it is 3 years old and the car has 30,000 miles on it.

J

Your battery definitely should not be going out in that little amount of time. If you do decide to replace it I would recommend the DieHard batteries from Sears. I have never had trouble with any of them! :)

n4dou
06-27-2008, 09:24 PM
I guess what is concerning me is that the indicator on top of the battery is still black, even after I added distilled water, which I put too much in the battery. I guess batteries don't get filled with water like they used too. I just wonder if it has a cell that is going bad.

Thanks for the feedback.
J

06whtcrv
06-27-2008, 10:08 PM
I guess what is concerning me is that the indicator on top of the battery is still black, even after I added distilled water, which I put too much in the battery. I guess batteries don't get filled with water like they used too. I just wonder if it has a cell that is going bad.

Thanks for the feedback.
J
the indicator is only monitoring one cell - so yes you could have a bad cell. did you charge up the battery after adding H2O? pick up a cheap battery hydrometer tester - usually only a couple bucks - and check each cell after it has been charged. And yes - batteries still get filled with distilled water when the level is low.

VitoVonAntwon
07-22-2008, 04:49 PM
Yup, same problem, I hear the burrs and clicks but no crank.

Brought it to a mechanic and he replaced the starter.
The thing started no problem for one week, and then same problem.
So it's not the starter, now I have an after market piece of junk, and my oem starter is gone. I should make them put the old one back.

I tried everything the first time I could do in a parking lot waiting for a tow.
Rolled the car forward in neutral, put it in drive to move stuff around,
checked fuses, jumped, checked more fuses nothing, brought the valet key, etc.


The car started the next day, once. PS Honda in New York is looking at it.
90$ for a diagnostic fee. I have bought an extended warranty when I bought the car, it's up in one month. SO I'm glad I guess this happened now.
I hope there is no funny stuff from them. Like a doctors bill, where they say insurance only covered this much, you owe us the rest.

On top of that I have to pay 100$ deductible twice now because a vote of no confidence to my local mechanic.

So far they had it all day, and said they have to bring in an A mechanic to look at it.

By the way I did the rear differential change. Thanks for the video, it was fairly easy with a tube etc.

Antonio

VitoVonAntwon
07-23-2008, 03:11 PM
PS Honda determined that it was the new starter.

They said they could start the car by putting current directly to the starter but it had to be on the lift. But they rolled it off the lift by the time I got there.

Just to try I went outside to start the car. PS Honda was going to find a lift and roll it there for me and start it, but they didn't have to.

When I got it to the other place, they tried it several times and it started every single time. Is it the starter?

One of the techs said it was the way the starter was sitting, that it was shorting or something like that.

I sure hope this car doesn't leave me any place.

Antonio

Linsifer
07-28-2008, 01:30 AM
I hope it's not an issue with the 2006. :confused: Mine will be two years old in September and so far, no starting problems that I know of.



Is this only in 2005 CRV's. My 03 with about 42,000 miles have never had any starting problems ( knock on wood), well, actually a couple of times in the past 3 1/2 years I've owned it, it would crank weakly like the battery is drained, but it start right back up. I'm not saying it's your battery since you already mentioned that, but also check and see if there are any recalls. Hope this helps!

bsexton
07-28-2008, 04:17 PM
I hope it's not an issue with the 2006. :confused: Mine will be two years old in September and so far, no starting problems that I know of.

This must have been a random thing with those 05's because I have never had a starting issue with my 05. My battery is getting weak on cold winter mornings, but no starter issues.

Linsifer
07-29-2008, 12:49 AM
Thanks! I hope I never have any issues like that with my '06. :-|


This must have been a random thing with those 05's because I have never had a starting issue with my 05. My battery is getting weak on cold winter mornings, but no starter issues.

VitoVonAntwon
04-11-2010, 08:19 PM
Today I took the CR-V to the shop and told them to keep it as long as necessary until it failed to start for them. Lo and behold, I got a call this afternoon telling me that it had indeed failed to start after numerous tries. They said that either the range switch or the ignition switch had gone bad and to be safe, they were going to replace both (under warranty of course). I asked the guy how either could go bad after only 10,000 miles, and he said that "it sometimes happens". The fact that they don't know why scares me. I hope this isn't indicative of what I have to look forward to for the next 250,000 miles or so.


range switch or the ignition switch, what is a range switch....

I have this problem with my crv 2003 awd ex.
I have a different problem.

I use on short trips and it runs fine.

But on longer rides, I park, start the car and it starts.
20 min later, (like going into a store) I come back, and the car won't start.

I hear the starter solinoid click, then die.
This is not the rrr, rrr, rrrr, of an engine that won't start, (no fuel etc) It's a faint, click of the starter, like it tried to engage, and the engine is seized. It will not crank, But I hear the solenoid of the starter try to do something. Also, this noise You can't hear by yourself, you have to have someone else turn the key, and you stand near the starter.

Random amount of time later, the car will start.

The car always starts cold. (always) Like over night, or a few hours.
In the winter we almost never had this problem.

We had the starter replaced, 2 weeks later, same problem.
Sometimes, turning the key, and it will click, a quick off and on with the key
one or two times and it starts. (sometimes)

I think it's odd that it would start right after a short 20 min trip on the highway,
but after 1/2 hour or 45 min of just sitting there after that trip, won't start.
The engine temp gauge is reading normal.

This is not a battery thing. That is the grinding of the starter, with the click click click, etc. and dead.

This is weird, and a level III tech at honda, said it was the starter. But we had just replaced the starter. So for it to have the same exact problem, I don't think it's the starter.

New battery so it's not that either.

Some one said it might be the ground wire, from battery to chassis. He said he replaced that and his honda was fine after that. Not sure about that. I used a dremel and cleaned up the connection to the ground. Still same problem.

About the Neutral idea.. If it's in drive the solenoid won't click right. So I don't think it's that.

One time I did hear an arcing electric sound in the key ignition. But Tried to listen to that again, did not hear any arcing sounds..

Baffled...

Antonio

06whtcrv
04-11-2010, 09:52 PM
clean and verify all electrical connections are tight at the battery and at the starter. sounds like you have a connection that is loose after warming up. when it cools off it tightens up.

VitoVonAntwon
04-12-2010, 07:44 AM
clean and verify all electrical connections are tight at the battery and at the starter. sounds like you have a connection that is loose after warming up. when it cools off it tightens up.

Might be at the starter then, because I did tighten everything on the battery end.
It sounds like something like that, IT's really very intermittent.



ANtonio

'Curly Q Links'
04-12-2010, 09:25 AM
Any time there's a fail-to-start problem, be sure to try it in NEUTRAL (per the Owner's Manual) because it might narrow down your problem area right away....



:idea:

blueiedgod
04-12-2010, 10:11 AM
Any time there's a fail-to-start problem, be sure to try it in NEUTRAL (per the Owner's Manual) because it might narrow down your problem area right away....



:idea:

Mine starts in gear.... as long as I press the clutch in. :mrgreen:

VitoVonAntwon
04-12-2010, 07:37 PM
WHen it decides not to start, it does not start in nuetral, or park.
I tried to roll the car in gear a few feet, then roll it in drive, roll it in reverse, both directions.

NOthing. Sitting there and trying to start it, waiting x minutes and trying to start x times. (x being a random amount of time)

It might start, with me doing nothing.
SOmetimes I raise the car hood, thinking a breeze will help cool it down? It might be my imagination, but it would start sooner that way..

I really think it's a heat problem somehow...
Or, as someone suggested, an arc in the ignition causes that whole area to heat up.

SHould the car key be warm, or hot when you pull it out after an hour ride?

ANyone know if there is a fan on the crv, 2003, when the car turns off it might go on? I've seen it on some acruras, etc.
I've never seen mine do this, ever, so I'm thinking that's not something the crv has.

Antonio

06whtcrv
04-14-2010, 07:30 PM
WHen it decides not to start, it does not start in nuetral, or park.
I tried to roll the car in gear a few feet, then roll it in drive, roll it in reverse, both directions.

NOthing. Sitting there and trying to start it, waiting x minutes and trying to start x times. (x being a random amount of time)

It might start, with me doing nothing.
SOmetimes I raise the car hood, thinking a breeze will help cool it down? It might be my imagination, but it would start sooner that way..

I really think it's a heat problem somehow...
Or, as someone suggested, an arc in the ignition causes that whole area to heat up.

SHould the car key be warm, or hot when you pull it out after an hour ride?

ANyone know if there is a fan on the crv, 2003, when the car turns off it might go on? I've seen it on some acruras, etc.
I've never seen mine do this, ever, so I'm thinking that's not something the crv has.

Antonio
if you have a hot key - you might have a bad ignition switch.

VitoVonAntwon
04-19-2010, 09:10 PM
06whtcrv

Thanks..

New thing happened. The car would not start, and I moved the Transmission Lever,
just so it moves around a bit, without moving it into neutral.

I tried the car and it worked.
I will try to recreate this again, and see if this works.
I think then the problem might be that linkage thing that has to be adjusted.

It was weird. I turned it on, nothing. I messed with the gear abit, and it worked.
This lead me down the wrong road before in theories.

The problem is so intermittent that I have to wait for the next bad time. (meaning it won't start for more than 15min.) I'll try this playing with the Shift Lever in this new manner and see if this fixes it... Then at least I know what to say to the mechanic.

So far I have, bad connections, and possibly a bad key ignition. I always hated electrical problems that were intermittent...

ANtonio

blueiedgod
04-20-2010, 10:11 AM
06whtcrv

Thanks..

New thing happened. The car would not start, and I moved the Transmission Lever,
just so it moves around a bit, without moving it into neutral.

I tried the car and it worked.
I will try to recreate this again, and see if this works.
I think then the problem might be that linkage thing that has to be adjusted.

It was weird. I turned it on, nothing. I messed with the gear abit, and it worked.
This lead me down the wrong road before in theories.

The problem is so intermittent that I have to wait for the next bad time. (meaning it won't start for more than 15min.) I'll try this playing with the Shift Lever in this new manner and see if this fixes it... Then at least I know what to say to the mechanic.

So far I have, bad connections, and possibly a bad key ignition. I always hated electrical problems that were intermittent...

ANtonio


Sounds like the gear position switch is out of alignment or shot. Automatic CR-V will not start if it thinks the gear selector is not in "P" or "N"

When this happens next time, shift to "N" and see if it starts.

VitoVonAntwon
04-24-2010, 11:53 AM
HI all,

Thanks for all your helpful suggestions.

OK, so it seems with the hotter weather, iF I drive around for long enough for the car to get to operational temp, it will fail to start.

Today I parked after driving around for about 1/2, and it's about 78 degrees, give or take.

I park, turn car off, car won't start.
So I do what I have to do, and hope the car will air out...
But it's a quiet block and I am investigating. While leaving the key in II, the one just before it starts, and going to the engine compartment, I heard a really faint, tck, tck, tck sound. It was coming from the item on the left that has 6 solid tubes running to it. I took a rock and tapped it a few times, and had my son (who is 6 1/2) start the car. It cranked, almost. (which before nothing.) I tapped this thing again a little more and harder, and asked him to start the car, it did. Coincidence. I think I'm onto it here. I will be first cleaning the connectors around this thing, I saw a ground wire near there, and one had some rust. And the next time it won't start I'll be hitting this thing to see if it is indeed the part.. Then I have to find out what part number it is, and see if I have to replace it...

Also tomorrow when I go to the car, and it's cold, I'll check first to see if this thing is tck, tck, tcking while it's cold.

I think i'm closing in.

Antonio

06whtcrv
04-24-2010, 01:18 PM
post a picture of what you are talking about - also - put your vehicle and location in your signature so everyone knows what/where without having to read every post to find all the clues.
sounds like what you are tapping on might be the ABS unit... not something that would impact vehicle starting.

'Curly Q Links'
04-24-2010, 05:07 PM
..... put your vehicle and location in your signature so everyone knows what / where without having to read every post to find all the clues.

Check your Private Messages for instructions..

:idea:

synaps3
04-26-2010, 01:45 PM
I think he's talking about the distributor cap. It's possible some crap got between the connectors...

06whtcrv
04-26-2010, 08:42 PM
I think he's talking about the distributor cap. It's possible some crap got between the connectors...

coming from the item on the left that has 6 solid tubes running to it.
item with 6 solid tubes on the left of a gen 2 is absolutely the ABS unit...

sgtsandman
04-27-2010, 12:17 PM
I think he's talking about the distributor cap. It's possible some crap got between the connectors...

I'm pretty sure distributors ended with the 2001 model CR-V. They went to a distributorless ignition after that. :)

synaps3
04-27-2010, 01:27 PM
D'oh. Still stuck in the era of old cars like mine.

If that's the case, then 06whtcrv is definitely right -- that shouldn't affect ignition.

VitoVonAntwon
05-06-2010, 12:05 AM
Hi,

The problem happened today to my wife, but she quickly turned the key a second time and the car started. I will have to wait for it to happen to me again, so I can tap on this item, and see. Again it might of been coincidence, but I want to make sure.

Here is a picture of the item I tapped on.
It's the lower part of of the part, with the serials etc on it I tapped. Immediately the car, was able to crank, and tapping it again, the car started, and the tck tck sound, honestly I didn't go back to check, I should of.

Also nearby I saw another ground attached to the chassis. WHen I have time I'll take that off and clean it. Just in case.

Antonio

wrenchingaround
05-06-2010, 05:04 AM
Here is a picture of the item I tapped on.
It's the lower part of of the part, with the serials etc on it I tapped. Immediately the car, was able to crank, and tapping it again, the car started, and the tck tck sound, honestly I didn't go back to check, I should of.


I'm pretty sure it started after tapping this unit by coincidence because this box is part of the brake system and nothing to do with starter or your ignition system.

VitoVonAntwon
05-06-2010, 06:53 PM
Today was bad. It ussually doesn't have a problem on short trips, but today it left me high and dry after my regular trip to the school to pick up my kids. Never had a problem, parked, let the kids play for an hour, and go home. Today it would not start. Tapped on that part, nothing. It was left in the sun, for about 1.4 hours. I've heard of honda's having problems starting like that. Investigating. I pushed it into the shade, and then sat there for a good
30 min after the 1.4 hours of it being off. I finally moved the gears around, and it tried it and it started. Drove home. Turned it off, and on, started fine.. 30 min later I started it and I drove to my mother in laws, and parked, won't start, and would not start, from about 5 to 8, actually I walked home. I plan on going tomorrow morning and dropping it off at a mechanic I know. I have no idea what to tell him.

Antonio

p.s. I moved the gears around multple times, as sometimes it starts after I do this, just like it starts after I do something like fart..

BigIslandV
05-06-2010, 07:05 PM
Have you tried starting it in NEUTRAL when this happens?

VitoVonAntwon
05-06-2010, 07:51 PM
I try it in park and neutral. I move the gears around, and sometimes it starts.
Sometimes if I turn the key twice really quick it starts. It starts every time, the next morning.

Antonio

VitoVonAntwon
05-06-2010, 07:53 PM
There is a harness there, if I take it off, unplug it, that tck, tck sound stops.
The car didn't start after re-seating this.

I will be checking the car tomorrow morning, and seeing if it makes the tck tck sound.
The car starts in the mornings every time.

I will also try to use a dremel and clean the grounds in that area.

ANtonio

wrenchingaround
05-07-2010, 04:36 AM
It's starting to sound a lot like an ignition switch problem.

VitoVonAntwon
05-07-2010, 07:44 AM
The car would not start after cooling down. So something different happened.
I did hear a weird sound coming from that brake thing today, kinda high pitched.
Time to call in the tow truck, and bring it to my mechanic. He will probably replace the starter, but I think it might be the cable that goes to it.

I disconnected the gound on the battery in hopes of reseting the computer, but now the abs light stays on.
Also this happened all the time, but the check engine light comes on, stays on for a few seconds, flashes 5 times and turns off.
I think that's normal, but it might be a code? Anyone know?

Antonio

VitoVonAntwon
05-07-2010, 02:18 PM
Hi,

Well, I talked to the service department of a Honda Dealership I went to last time this happened. To re - cap.. The car would intermittently not start. One day after leaving it on a hot hot parking lot, it totally would not start. We had it towed (flat bed) to a place that replaced the starter. It worked for 2 weeks and same problem. So I brought it to Honda in manhasset, and it would not start, and they could not find anything wrong, and the third level tech said it was the starter. So They were going to jump start the starter, (correct me if I'm wrong, but I think they apply current directly to the postive lead of the starter) But in the end I got there and it started. The old GUys who replaced the starter said they would replace it again. Problem solved for awhile, then it happened again, once in the winter, and then during the summer it started having the problem. Always starting the next morning. Yesterday, I parked in the hot sun, and it would not start. Then I pushed it to the shade, and 15 min later it starts. I go somewhere else and no start. The only thing is the next morning, no start either. SO go figure. I'm trying to see when My mechanic can take it.

I cleaned up the connections, I pulled the starter relay under the dash, It clicks, but I would really like to know how to diagnose if it's bad. I can maybe just by a new one, and start the process of taking things out of the equation.

I Honda Tech said there was a problem with honda cars sitting in the sun. The fuel pump mother board would expand and solder joints wouldn't make connection. I really wonder if that's true for a crv. I hear two clicks when I start in the cabin, and 2 under the hood.
In the cabin one under the dash driver side, one click under the passenger glove box.
In the engine, I hear one near the starter, and one in HTc fuse box.

I will probably break down and get the starter replaced again.
But maybe the ignition switch first.

Anotnio

VitoVonAntwon
05-07-2010, 02:19 PM
The Tech said to air out the cabin area, and if it starts it's 95% prob that mother board.

ANtonio

VitoVonAntwon
05-10-2010, 08:26 AM
So we tested the ignition switch, good. tested the starter solenoid under the dash, good.
(actually the tailgate solenoid is the same one so we swapped them.), then is was a look at the park neutral switch, ok. Last was the starter.

Richie swapped that, but mentioned the last guys had frayed the cable, and he changed the clip that went to that cable.
I picked up the car the next morning. Fixed.

Hopefully I won't be dealing with any of this non starting nonsense anymore.

Antonio.