D16 Turbo kits (in Australia)

[freelance1000]

D16 Turbo Kit $1,402.50
http://www.theturboshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_19&products_id=54

D16 Turbo Manifold.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SS304-HONDA-D15-D16-TURBO-MANIFOLD_W0QQitemZ4639475217QQcategoryZ50140QQtcZp hotoQQcmdZViewItem

Accessories (Turbo + Rice).
http://stores.ebay.com.au/Racing-Werks-Performances

Note to self - I really shouldn't be looking at these :roll: :D

EDIT:
Here is what www.turbod16.com had to say about Ebay turbo kits and manifolds. http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=22315&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Team GOOOSH]

D16 Turbo Kit $1,402.50
http://www.theturboshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=11_19&products_id=54


I like this kit, but not sure "what else" is required. Will the standard computer handle this or will re mapping/new computer be required?

How much "real" horsepower will be gained? Anyone have this kit intalled?

[CRX]

This does not include ANY electronics / control system. As a hack (aka: don't do it) people simply put a non return valve in the map sensor line to stop it seeing boost, and 1 (or even 2) extra injectors into the intake with a boost switch to switch them on. (Ie when it boosts the ECU only sees "foot flat", and all of a sardine you there are 5 injectors instead of just 4). The extra injector piggybacks ont the signal of one of the others.

Or there are certain Honda ECU's that can have the OE processor in the ECU soldered off, and replace with EEPROM types that enable you to map it for boost
www.pgmfi.org

Or there are cheap type stand-alone programmable ECU's
These egs are SA types but there will be many
http://www.dicktator.co.za
http://www.gotech.co.za
They are cheaper alternatives, and so are not as goot as the expensive options.

Expensive stand alone ECU's
www.aempower.com
www.haltech.com
etc etc

You will have to budget some time on a dyno to get these ECU's programmed for you setup.

AEM is the best in my opinion, because they have gone to the trouble of fitting the correct plugs for your car, and pre-programmed with a close map (they will not have heard of an HRV , but any OBD-II Civic SOHC set-up will do.

:)

[Team GOOOSH]

This does not include ANY electronics / control system. As a hack (aka: don't do it) people simply put a non return valve in the map sensor line to stop it seeing boost, and 1 (or even 2) extra injectors into the intake with a boost switch to switch them on. (Ie when it boosts the ECU only sees "foot flat", and all of a sardine you there are 5 injectors instead of just 4). The extra injector piggybacks ont the signal of one of the others.

Or there are certain Honda ECU's that can have the OE processor in the ECU soldered off, and replace with EEPROM types that enable you to map it for boost
www.pgmfi.org

Or there are cheap type stand-alone programmable ECU's
These egs are SA types but there will be many
http://www.dicktator.co.za
http://www.gotech.co.za
They are cheaper alternatives, and so are not as goot as the expensive options.

Expensive stand alone ECU's
www.aempower.com
www.haltech.com
etc etc

You will have to budget some time on a dyno to get these ECU's programmed for you setup.

AEM is the best in my opinion, because they have gone to the trouble of fitting the correct plugs for your car, and pre-programmed with a close map (they will not have heard of an HRV , but any OBD-II Civic SOHC set-up will do.

:)

Sorry.....what was the question? :wink: :lol:

So ......"Thunderbirds are go?"

[freelance1000]

This does not include ANY electronics / control system.
Do you need any electronics if running 6 PSI?
How much "real" horsepower will be gained? Anyone have this kit intalled?
Google 'Turbo Calculator', then deduct some. From memory, at 6 PSI horsepower increased by about 50%.

[Black Cat]

Stupid question - but wouldn't a turbo mess up the 4wd i.e too much power for the rear diffs??

[Tetra2000]

Stupid question - but wouldn't a turbo mess up the 4wd i.e too much power for the rear diffs??

Unless you have the 2WD 'Joy Machine' version :)

[mrtn]

Stupid question - but wouldn't a turbo mess up the 4wd i.e too much power for the rear diffs??

the weakest link is the clutch, not the 4wd clutch pack here.

[CRX]

...Sorry.....what was the question?...

...I like this kit, but not sure "what else" is required...

And the (short) answer would be:
This does not include ANY electronics / control system....

Do you need any electronics if running 6 PSI?....
Dunno - do you want it to be reliable? Read my long-winded explanation of how not to do it. If you are happy with that, then the answer is "Guess not". From my experience - I wouldn't dream of it.

the weakest link is the clutch, not the 4wd clutch pack here.
That would be my answer too. If you have any aspiration of power gains, Id get a decent ACT clutch. (I'm guessing the Civic clutch is the same?) {There are many after-market clutches available, I like ACT}, and if you are really doing the hooligan thing, I would engineer a Quaife ATB diff into the equasion too. This would take a bit of work because Quaife do not make a diff for the HRV (or even CRV), because these have two mounting spigots for mounting two gear wheels. My guess is you would be able to engineer a spacer that would enable you to mount the two to one flange. (If you are wondering why go to all this trouble, this would drastically increase the torque that you can put down to the front wheels before losing traction, therefore needing the RT4WD system less).

The Edelbrock Turbo kit, with the above clutch and diff would be my "Dream HRV".

:roll: :wink: 8)

[Team GOOOSH]

So i sent an email to the supplier, here is his answer (and my question underneath)

Hi there,

I don't know what engine the hrv has, but if it's a d16 then yes it will fit.

The brand is xspower usa..not the cheap Chinese stuff this is made in the states and is of a very high quality. Im currently running one of the t3 turbo kits on my civic.

U will need a new computer and injectors to run boost. Honda ecus are not programmed for boost.

Thanks

-----Original Message-----
From: Team Gooosh
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2006 2:37 PM
To: The Turbo Shop
Subject: Message from The Turbo Shop

Hi. I have noticed the turbo kit for the D16 SOHC honda engine. I am wondering if you have supplied this for a HRV vehicle? Will it be ok for a HRV?



What brand are these parts please?



What HP gain is available. WOuld computer remapping be expected?



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[Team GOOOSH]

My mechanic (honda) says the HRV 4x4 gearbox/diff are far more reliable that people give it credit for. He does much more rebuilds on FWD Honda boxes than a HRV 4x4. He says they are a (relatively) tough gearbox's........but for sure the clutch would be the weak link.

But 4x4 manual HRV drivers will note that the gearbox has "abuse-protection" built in. You will notice if you rev it to redline in 1st gear and try and quickly slam it into 2nd gear it will not go into 2nd untill the reves come down. Built in protection :wink: .

[Team GOOOSH]

Sosme more info from the supplier of the kits.

You need to be convinced eh...ok ill try.

Your lucky enough to have a Honda which has an engine that is stronger than the majority of engines out there. Honda engines love to be reved and driven hard. Turboing a n/a Honda engine is very common and popular. Because they are so highly compressed they make it easy to spool almost any turbo and boost exceptionally well. Because they are so well built you can run between 8-12psi through a stock engine with no dramas, the only point being fuel delivery which can be changed with a fuel pump and some injectors. After 12psi u will need to rebuilt an strengthen using different pistons and rods. I know of people running 25psi through their Honda engines. I have a friend who has the same engine as me, d16 who ran a 12 second pass on the 1/4 with basically the same setup as mine....he has just had his tuned, where im still running stock injectors and computer because I haven't gotten around to changing them yet.

There is another point. My car (photos attached) has been turboed for more than 2 years. I started with a t25 kit and now upgraded to a t03 kit. I haven't changed the injectors or ecu and I am running 5-6psi. I haven't had it tuned properly but the power gains are very very noticeable. I cant boost for too long as fuel runs out but the car is far quicker than it used to be.

As for what you were told about the ecu, im unsure. I purchased a ecu from a 92-95 vtec civic and have had it chipped and tuned with uberdata (program which is designed solely for Hondas)...i just haven't installed it with the injectors yet as the wiring harness I got was wrong.

Hope this helps.

Im realy thinking of giving it a go (if the costing on the fuel mapping works out)........could be my last chance of saving the marriage from devorce :lol:

[CRX]

http://www.autronic.com/

:)

[Team GOOOSH]

Ok here is a question.

If say i fitted the turbo kit and NO ecu maping or extra fuel work, do you think the engine will still run/idle ok without any problems? I know it wont be running to full potential, but if it took me a while before i get around to sorting out the extra fuel, should daily running be ok?

[Team GOOOSH]

Ok, found our first problem.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/chrisgt211/TurboCivic.jpg

Can anyone spot any problems with fitting this kit into a HRV? :wink:

[PatrickDorrian]

Yes .... two;

1. If redlined in every gear for long enough the engine will die.
2. Fuel consumption is already pants - if you decrease it further, you'd be as well buying a V8 as your fuel consumption would be lower.

Enjoy it for what it is and drive it accordingly but if you want a sports car go and buy one that was designed and built to be driven like one.

Would be fun tho - but why not supercharge instead :-)

[Team GOOOSH]

Yes .... two;

1. If redlined in every gear for long enough the engine will die.
2. Fuel consumption is already pants - if you decrease it further, you'd be as well buying a V8 as your fuel consumption would be lower.

Enjoy it for what it is and drive it accordingly but if you want a sports car go and buy one that was designed and built to be driven like one.

Would be fun tho - but why not supercharge instead :-)

Supercharging the HRV would cost much more. This kit is a bargain (if it works) and easier to fit. The HRV would be a graet car if it had more poke from a turbo. And honestly 5-8 psi should have any problems.

[PatrickDorrian]

Mmm so when driven hard, i could get mine to return 15mpg or so .... with a turbo what's that going to drop to lol

[CRX]

Can anyone spot any problems with fitting this kit into a HRV?

Yes. You need to fit the Civic intake manifold too. This should not present any problems in itself (and even you guys that want a bit more NA pep, it aparently gives a few extra kW compared to our downdraught throttle bodies - just get it chipped or a SAFC/VAFC to sort the fuelling). You may have to extend a few wires here and there to make it fit, but that is it.

8)

[CRX]

... do you think the engine will still run/idle ok without any problems? ...

It will idle fine. It will run OK as long as you DO NOT BOOST (ie ultra low throttle, stay below 3000 revs) and really potter along. I would not consider this other then for once off on your way to the dyno to get your ECU fitted/tuned.

If you let it boost, you will immdiately get a CEL, when the MAP sensor goes out of it's range. This will put you straight into "safety mode". If you keep yur foot down, then probably within 30 seconds, you will toast your engine. (The engine will run super-lean, temperatured will increase rapidly, till pre-ignition occurs, melting your piston crown, and if your revs are high enough when this happens, the out of round piston will jam and separate from the little end, and the flailing conrod will knock a nice big hole in the block.

TIP: don't even think about it. If you MUST be tight-a$$ed about the whole thing then do the extra injector story that I didn't like in my first description. At least this will work for a few months (done properly).

:? :roll: :wink:

[goraiko]

I think it's probably best to run Prelude 2.2 injectors anyway if you are boosting.

Just one question why would you need the civic manifold instead of the hrv one. I'm obviously missing something there. :oops:

[CRX]

Nah, 'Lude injectors are only just bigger then D16 (AFAIR 220 < > 270), this will make you run rich when idling, and will not keep up on boost.

It's in the control, not the capacity.

The kit comes with pre-made piping that goes from here to here, not to over THERE...

Heh!

Yeah, given it's intended for a Civic you may have to amend some of the pipe routes, intercooler brackets etc anyway.

:)

[Team GOOOSH]

Can anyone spot any problems with fitting this kit into a HRV?

Yes. You need to fit the Civic intake manifold too. This should not present any problems in itself (and even you guys that want a bit more NA pep, it aparently gives a few extra kW compared to our downdraught throttle bodies - just get it chipped or a SAFC/VAFC to sort the fuelling). You may have to extend a few wires here and there to make it fit, but that is it.

8)

yeh, intake is easy anyway, not realy a drama..........keep looking you may spot something worse.....

[CRX]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e388/chrisgt211/TurboCivic.jpg

http://www.rubymicro.com/Honda/HRV/HRVEng1.jpg

**Squints** Give me a break here, I'm 8000km from my HRV!!

:?

[CRX]

Ja, ja battery placement, aicon hoses, etc You are going to have to make your own routing for the pipes and bits...

[Team GOOOSH]

**Squints** Give me a break here, I'm 8000km from my HRV!!:?

What, you didnt pack it with you? :lol:

[goraiko]

Um battery need relocating. And yeah you'll need to fabricate your own pipes too. I still think you'd get away without swapping the Intake manifold.

[CRX]

Heh!

[goraiko]

Mine won't fit in me case either. It cheaper to sell it and get a new one than ship it all the way over. :lol: :(

[Team GOOOSH]

Mine won't fit in me case either. It cheaper to sell it and get a new one than ship it all the way over. :lol: :(

When you arrive....you can buy mine. How does $17,500 AUS sound? So are you sure its cheaper? :wink:

[Team GOOOSH]

Yes, re-routing cooler lines and you will find the room beside the radiator in a HRV is less than the civic, so the turbo may be too close to the radiator/cooler.

Also, will the intercoller be effective without cutting off/modifying the front bumper. The "hey look at my hard-core car" look is not what i want...........well maybe :wink:

[goraiko]

Mine won't fit in me case either. It cheaper to sell it and get a new one than ship it all the way over. :lol: :(

When you arrive....you can buy mine. How does $17,500 AUS sound? So are you sure its cheaper? :wink:
More than I have seen. :lol: I'm not sure what to get yet. It all depends on how long I can stay. :wink:

[Team GOOOSH]

Well, i've also got a old ford V8 if you fancy putting it together yourself :lol:

My cousins got a Nissan Pulsar SSS, with the turbo SR20 engine that goes like the clappers, cheap at only $9k....and its black! :lol:

[freelance1000]

Why do I do this to myself... :roll: :D

Turbo Calculator.
http://www.turbofast.com.au/freesoftware.html

HR-V details
Bore: 75
Stroke: 90
Cylinders: 4
RPM: 6900
Engine VE: 77 (non-vtec) or 85.6 (vtec)
Boost: 40 KPA (= 6 PSI)
Compressor efficiency: I put 65%
Intercooler efficiency: I put 72.5%

Note: There is a problem with the torque figures shown on the calculator, they are incorrect. When 0 boost is entered, it shows torque of 110Nm, when it should be 135Nm (or 144Nm for VTEC).

GUIDE ONLY
Turbo Calculator Results assuming 40KPA (6PSI) and an ambient air temp. of 20 degrees C.
HR-V (non VTEC) increases from 77Kw to 110Kw, an increase of 42%. :P
HR-V (VTEC) increases from 91Kw to 122Kw, an increase of 34%.
Kw = HP*.746

Turbo match suggests a Garrett T2. If I was going to turbo my HR-V, I'd have a closer look at the T3.

[goraiko]

I'd perhaps consider a t2/t3 hybrid. Easier to spool up.

[CRX]

...Also, will the intercoller be effective without cutting off/modifying the front bumper...

Mmm, I think it will be fine - you just need to think about the positioningso that it is in the air-stream? Oh hang on, are you talking about a 1st gen? My 2nd gen has a nice opening there for an IC. You can also think about a charge cooler. (I like them.)

:roll: :wink:

[freelance1000]

Uh ohh... :?

Here is what www.turbod16.com had to say about Ebay turbo kits and manifolds. http://www.turbod16.com/viewtopic.php?t=22315&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

[Team GOOOSH]

Well then.....looks like the funs over :roll: