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High Miles
11-16-2005, 12:17 PM
My 97 CRV has alloy wheels and over 233,000 miles (maybe that's the problem.) Several months ago I thought my muffler had failed as the car became quite noisy and seemed to get worse when decelerating. There also was a vibration. The muffler was shot and I had it replaced, but that did not solve the problem. I went to Tire's Plus and they quickly discovered the lug nuts on the left front wheel were very loose.

Today they were loose again on the same wheel, and my son said he had tightened them about two weeks ago. I know that the lug nuts on alloy wheels are supposed to be retorqued after about 50 miles after the tires are rotated, and to be honest I have never done that. However, it seems odd that now I've had problems with loose lug nuts on the same wheel three times in the last few months. Is there anything that would be causing the lug nuts to loosen up, or do I just need to be more viligant about having the nuts retorqued after the wheels have been removed?

Team GOOOSH
11-16-2005, 05:42 PM
Your neighbours trying to kill you. :lol:

No. You dont have to be vigilant about your nuts after putting on a wheel (just make sure its tight after you remove the jack).

I thinks either the hubs and studs need changing (233,000 miles) or you need new nuts. :oops:

'Curly Q Links'
11-17-2005, 02:18 AM
Sometimes you're supposed to use different nuts when changing from factory wheels to aftermarket alloys.

My '97 V has different nuts on it, apparently because of the ASA alloys, or because of a sharp salesman . . . .

Team GOOOSH
11-17-2005, 08:20 AM
Sometimes you're supposed to use different nuts when changing from factory wheels to aftermarket alloys.

My '97 V has different nuts on it, apparently because of the ASA alloys, or because of a sharp salesman . . . .

I think you got sharked.

roadster
11-17-2005, 08:44 AM
lug nutz wear out.
as mentioned posably someone playing a prank
1. do you change your tire and loosen or tighten while in the air?
2 do you tighten the nuts in any spacific order
proper tighting sequence are as follows
every other never going next to one nut.
in a star fashion. thus putting propper pressure all around .
if next to each other you are just tighting the nut and miss aligning the wheel sit point.

N_Jay
11-17-2005, 10:01 AM
Sometimes you're supposed to use different nuts when changing from factory wheels to aftermarket alloys.

My '97 V has different nuts on it, apparently because of the ASA alloys, or because of a sharp salesman . . . .

I think you got sharked.

WRONG (Maybe).

Some wheels, especially aftermarket, require unique lugs.

Team GOOOSH
11-17-2005, 10:12 AM
Yes true SOME need unique lugs. But only when the wheels dish is not recessed as per original. The thread size has not changed because the hub bolts have not changed. Most of the time new wheels come with new nuts cause it LOOKS better. Very few aftermarket wheels wont accept original nuts. When you buy new wheels its the salesmans job to UPSELL new nuts or even lock nuts, thats how they get paid.

I think we have all gone nuts

N_Jay
11-17-2005, 12:35 PM
Yes true SOME need unique lugs. But only when the wheels dish is not recessed as per original. The thread size has not changed because the hub bolts have not changed. Most of the time new wheels come with new nuts cause it LOOKS better. Very few aftermarket wheels wont accept original nuts. When you buy new wheels its the salesmans job to UPSELL new nuts or even lock nuts, thats how they get paid.

I think we have all gone nuts

Yes, but many aftermarket wheels fit multiple brands of cars.

One some brands even the factory steel and alloy use different lug nuts.

I would double check they are right before ASSUMING so!

High Miles
11-17-2005, 12:40 PM
My wheels and lug nuts are factory originals. When I tightened them them yesterday the car was on the ground (not jacked up). I was on my way to work. This morning (after about 140 miles from yesterday's tightening) I checked them and one was slightly loose. I did tighten them in the star pattern. I'll do it right with a torque wrench and see if I have any better results.

Team GOOOSH
11-17-2005, 12:42 PM
You need new NUTS or may be new hub bolts.

acura5150
11-18-2005, 01:48 AM
Factory Honda wheels and nuts have a 'ball' socket, the nut is rounded at the bottom. Most aftermarket wheels are 'tapered', a flat angle. They are NOT interchangable! Make sure you have the right ones, and retorque after 40 miles.

NADII GNE2 CRV
11-18-2005, 04:27 AM
When I worked in a garage we always tightened alloys wheels by hand with a torque wrench set at 100LBS, we would never use the impact for the reason that they would become loose. Thatís what I was told anyways and maybe itís true?

thomasj2
11-18-2005, 09:57 AM
HiMiles, put a dab of locktite on those threads, then torque the nuts to 80#'s.

roadster
11-18-2005, 10:12 AM
and what colour locktite , b/c i was gonna just say that tom..........

k24 rd6
11-18-2005, 07:21 PM
Make sure you have the right lug nuts as previously mentioned. Factory Honda rounded lug nuts do not work on tapered aftermarket wheels.

If you drove around for a long time with them loose, you may have damaged the lug seat. A damaged lug seat could cause the lugs to loosen when driving.

roadster
11-19-2005, 04:08 AM
lug nut: do they start nice and tight, loose crossed,
order yourself off the road you may lose that wheel and still be able to keep the car balanced while driving at the speed but as soon as you slow you'l do damage and . cuase a fatality accident. we do not want to see that happen.

thomasj2
11-19-2005, 04:46 AM
I keep a couple of tubes of Blue locktite in the garage. I had a tractor that I couldn't keep the lug nuts tight no matter how I torqued the lug nuts, 2 drops of locktite solved the problem

acura5150
11-20-2005, 08:27 AM
IMO, Locktite on lug nuts is overkill. A lug nut torqued properly to almost 80 ft lbs is not going anywhere.

N_Jay
11-20-2005, 01:17 PM
IMO, Locktite on lug nuts is overkill. A lug nut torqued properly to almost 80 ft lbs is not going anywhere.

And if it is, then thats an indication of another problem to be FIXED, not patched.

High Miles
11-20-2005, 04:24 PM
Thanks everyone for all your help on my lug nut problem. As Roadster suggested, one of the lug nuts is cross threaded, and I think that is the problem. I suspect the cross threaded one does not really get tight, and then the others gradually loosen. That would explain why it was several months since the tires were rotated before I noticed the problem. So, I'll be going to a mechanic and get it fixed.

The first symptom of loose lug nuts (at least on the front, left wheel in a 1997 CRV) is that the V gets quite noisy when you let off the gas. I was sure the problem was with the muffler at first. Accelerate again and the vehicle quiets down; decelerate and it gets noisy. The next symptom is some vibration, first in the steering wheel, and then in the seat. I suspect the next symptom is a gradual lowering of the vehicle and a lot of sparks flying up alongside the window next to you (at least at night). Look for your missing tire somewhere in front of where you stopped or crashed.

k24 rd6
11-20-2005, 10:37 PM
Do you use centering rings?

High Miles
11-24-2005, 07:41 PM
I took my vehicle to Tires Plus in Mankato who had last rotated my tires before I started having problems with the lug nuts. I thought they had cross threaded one of the nuts because I could only loosen it up about 1/2 turn. They said the problem was that I did not come back to have the nuts retorqued (on alloy wheels) after 50 to 100 miles. This caused one of the nuts to get loose and damage the threads so it could not be taken off.

They did replace all the lugs and lug nuts on the wheel at no charge. At first they were going to charge me 1/2 price, but I am a good customer.

So I guess it is really important to have those nuts retorqued on alloy wheels. I was lucky they wanted to keep me as a customer, and even luckier the wheel did not fall off.

roadster
11-25-2005, 05:45 AM
I took my vehicle to Tires Plus in Mankato who had last rotated my tires before I started having problems with the lug nuts. I thought they had cross threaded one of the nuts because I could only loosen it up about 1/2 turn. They said the problem was that I did not come back to have the nuts retorqued (on alloy wheels) after 50 to 100 miles. This caused one of the nuts to get loose and damage the threads so it could not be taken off.

They did replace all the lugs and lug nuts on the wheel at no charge. At first they were going to charge me 1/2 price, but I am a good customer.

So I guess it is really important to have those nuts retorqued on alloy wheels. I was lucky they wanted to keep me as a customer, and even luckier the wheel did not fall off.
3 plus years alloys on my V, 6 years before that,man I better stop 1980 was the only time I hadsteel rims on my camaro.
Never in my life I retouqed alloys and lug nuts. but hey it may be a start
a friend on mine DID NOT use enough pressure and lost his wheel. so yesdo it right the first time . and all will be fine
glad you were not drinking lighter fluid