2007 HONDA CR-V UPDATE

[hondacrvaz]

2007 Honda CR-V
Updated - 06/01/05

2007 will be the redesign year for the CR-V. Honda currently has a prototype and has briefed select individuals on the product but don't expect them to talk about it. We don't expect to have information on the 2007 CR-V until sometime in calendar year 2006. The only worthwhile tidbits at this time are the rumors of Hybrid technology and the expanded use of 2WD. A small horsepower boost has also been rumored.

http://www.hondapreview.com/crv/

[Racoon]

Ah, and the rumors begin...

Just remember that is not an official Honda website, so anything you read there is speculation, rumors, and wishful thinking.

JM2C
:)

[MikeN]

My furry friend really really really hates rumors.

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[hondacrvaz]

Ah, and the rumors begin...

Just remember that is not an official Honda website, so anything you read there is speculation, rumors, and wishful thinking.

JM2C
:)

"The only worthwhile tidbits at this time are the rumors of Hybrid technology and the expanded use of 2WD. A small horsepower boost has also been rumored"

Yeah the author cleary states the obvious if you would read it... I just find it very intersting in how everyone is catergorically denying that Honda has zero interest in a Hybrid SUV. I find it hard to believe that Honda will allow Toyota to pratically offer a Hybrid in almost every model lineup by 2006 and Honda will just sit idle.

[Racoon]

"The only worthwhile tidbits at this time are the rumors of Hybrid technology and the expanded use of 2WD. A small horsepower boost has also been rumored"

Yeah the author cleary states the obvious if you would read it...
I did read it. My post was to remind everyone else that read it that it was not a Honda site, despite having the word "honda" in the URL.

I just find it very intersting in how everyone is catergorically denying that Honda has zero interest in a Hybrid SUV.
You know, I thought about that when I read that rumor. But Honda was very clear when they said in 2004 that a hybrid SUV was not in their 3 year plan.

Warning! The Following Is Speculation: So does that mean they aren't going to design a hybrid SUV in the next three years? Or that they won't be selling a hybrid SUV in the next three years? If the later, then a hybrid in the 2007 model year might be reasonable speculation.

I find it hard to believe that Honda will allow Toyota to pratically offer a Hybrid in almost every model lineup by 2006 and Honda will just sit idle.
And that's the part of your comment that wanders over the line into speculation and wishful thinking. You don't know what the Honda executives are thinking, and are trying to project your thoughts and beliefs onto their decision processes. ;)

Thanks for sharing the link with us.

:)

[CR-Vince]

"expanded use of 2WD"

Oh yeah .... I'm glad to see that someone's out to solve the problem of overusing RT4WD..... :lol:

[Racoon]

My furry friend really really really hates rumors.
Not really. I love to gossip and speculate as much as the next person!

What I hate is people reading what is clearly speculation and rumors and then quoting it as fact.

:)

[proud2bcan8dn]

According to VTEC.NET (which I find to be 90% accurate):

MY07 Redesign
Production will be moved to America
Expected 180-200HP

These are all speculative....but I would bet the HP is on the mark. I am about 50-50 on the American Production though, however it is possible.

[Racoon]

I am about 50-50 on the American Production though, however it is possible.
Actually, that's not a rumor. Honda announced in January 2005 that in 2006 production of the CR-V would begin at the East Liberty, Ohio plant and the Acrua RDX would be produced at the Marysville, Ohio plant.

East Liberty selected for CR-V production; Marysville gets new Acura SUV (http://www.hondanews.com/CatID1008?mid=2005011745918&mime=asc)

:)

[WestTexan]

I know we're thinking about Honda's slow entry into the hybrid market, but are you hearing what is happening to the Prius's? They are "locking up" at highway speed. The engine turns off and the driver loses all power. Here's the word from the NHTSA...
Defect Summary

Make: TOYOTA
Model: PRIUS
Type: PASSENGER CAR
Year: 2004
NHTSA Action Number: PE05029
Summary:
ODI HAS RECEIVED 33 REPORTS OF ALLEGED ENGINE STALLING ON THE SUBJECT VEHICLES. TWENTY-EIGHT [28] COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED ON MODEL YEAR (MY) 2004 VEHICLES AND 5 ON MY 2005 VEHICLES. OVER 85 PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THE VEHICLE STALLED WHILE DRIVING BETWEEN 35 AND 65 MPH. THE SUBJECT VEHICLES ARE GASOLINE/ELECTRIC HYBRID VEHICLES THAT CAN BE OPERATED IN GASOLINE OR ELECTRIC MODES, OR A COMBINATION OF BOTH. SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS INDICATE THAT THE VEHICLE WAS OPERATED IN ELECTRIC MODE FOR SOME PERIOD AFTER THE GAS ENGINE STALLED. ALL COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT THE ENGINE SHUT DOWN SUDDENLY WITHOUT WARNING AND AT LEAST 50 PERCENT OF THE COMPLAINANTS REPORTED THAT WHEN THE ENGINE SHUT OFF, THE VEHICLE WOULD NOT RESTART AND HAD TO BE TOWED. IN JANUARY AND MAY 2004, TOYOTA ISSUED SPECIAL SERVICE CAMPAIGNS 40A AND 40D TO ADDRESS SOFTWARE ISSUES WITH THE PRIUS HYBRID VEHICLE ELECTRONIC CONTROL UNIT (HV ECU). IN OCTOBER 2004, TOYOTA ISSUED TECHNICAL SERVICE BULLETIN (TSB) EG047-04 TO ADDRESS ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE ISSUES CONSUMERS WERE EXPERIENCING WITH THE HV ECU IN MY 2004 THROUGH EARLY-2005 PRIUS VEHICLES. A PRELIMINARY EVALUATION HAS BEEN OPENED TO DETERMINE ANY SCOPE, FREQUENCY, AND POTENTIAL SAFETY-RELATED CONSEQUENCES OF THE ALLEGED DEFECT.

Maybe there is something better beyond hybrid like fuel cell technology that is worth waiting for!

[chinchillax]

According to VTEC.NET (which I find to be 90% accurate):

MY07 Redesign
Production will be moved to America
Expected 180-200HP

These are all speculative....but I would bet the HP is on the mark. I am about 50-50 on the American Production though, however it is possible. I don't think I'll be buying a new G3 CR-V if its built in Ohio....there goes the build quality, I don't even trust the UK built ones. :?

[Team GOOOSH]

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Honda made in the USA?

ATTENTION EVERYONE. Do you consider a Honda to be a Honda if its not made in JAPAN?

Think about it. Car makers for years have made models in different countries, but their success has been short lived due to global public perception that car manufacturers can only control its quality in its homeland.

An example the "M" series Mercedes-Benz made in america. Im sure you would agree that Mercedez-Benz can no longer be classified as a "German" car (and the associated quality manufacture & design) if its made in America or anywhere else other than in Germany.

I would think Honda would only manufacter the CRV in America to boost its sales there, but at a cost of loosing sales in other countries.

I dont know......and Amercan made Japanese car?

Whats next a new generation of superior Boeing jet planes made by Lada in Russia? or the latest in Microsoft technology.....designed, tested and manufactured in Latvia.

God have mercy on us all.

[AoS]

The CR-V will be manufactured in the US on top of the existing plants in Japan, China, Taiwan and UK (let me know if I missed one :wink: ).

At the moment CR-V's sold in North America are coming from Japan or UK but the high demand in the US, the growing demand in Europe (thanks to the diesel version) and the exchange rate USD/GBP or USD/YEN are the main reasons for this decision.

[bumpzter]

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Honda made in the USA?

ATTENTION EVERYONE. Do you consider a Honda to be a Honda if its not made in JAPAN?
Kind of late with that question. Civics, Accords have been manufactured in North America for over 20 years. And the sales have not suffered at all

Same for many other Japanees (and now Korean) makes.

[bracky]

It's all in the design and the quality of materials. Americans are just as skilled and hardworking as anyone else including Japan. :D

[TMQ]

It's all in the design and the quality of materials. Americans are just as skilled and hardworking as anyone else including Japan. :D

True, except maybe the Detroit automakers. Although JD power's ranking for them is getting better, I still see more recalls and defects from them.

[SGCRV2005]

It's the whole process. Good design, manufacturing practice and quality control (incoming materials and processes). The whole thing must work together. (Total Quality Control). With proper design & good practices, American workers certainly can do it as good as the Japanese.

[Team GOOOSH]

Yes thats true...................but think of what an American made Honda CRV would be.

STANDARD FEATURES
-SatNav with EasyTrac system to find your nearest Burger King or McDonalds store.
-Extra wide seats with EasyLift system to lift big butts in and out of cabin.
-12 ergonomicaly designed cup holders large enough to hold a cup the size of a fire extinguisher.

-OPTIONAL EXTRAS
-Cup holders can be replaced with a 44 gallon cooler in boot with chilled drink tubes into cabin.
-Driver and front passanger gun holster for easy access of fire-arms in highway road rage situations.

NO COST OPTION
-Driver remote control for all dash accessories (for drivers who dont want to reach too far).

[hondacrvaz]

Yes thats true...................but think of what an American made Honda CRV would be.

STANDARD FEATURES
-SatNav with EasyTrac system to find your nearest Burger King or McDonalds store.
-Extra wide seats with EasyLift system to lift big butts in and out of cabin.
-12 ergonomicaly designed cup holders large enough to hold a cup the size of a fire extinguisher.

-OPTIONAL EXTRAS
-Cup holders can be replaced with a 44 gallon cooler in boot with chilled drink tubes into cabin.
-Driver and front passanger gun holster for easy access of fire-arms in highway road rage situations.

NO COST OPTION
-Driver remote control for all dash accessories (for drivers who dont want to reach too far).

Wow another American basher what a surprise....

[Racoon]

Yes thats true...................but think of what an American made Honda CRV would be...
ROFLMAO

:lol:

[CR-Vince]

I didn't see that as "bashing"; I found it funny. Now personally, I'd forget the McDonald's and Burger King and change the nav system to direct the car to the nearest Wal-Mart or SAM'S CLUB. That would be even more "American" :)

[gk33]

Does anyone think Honda will ever bring back the RED that they offered in the Gen1 models? I love my CRV, but silver is boring.

George
04 EX

[Racoon]

Does anyone think Honda will ever bring back the RED that they offered in the Gen1 models?
You mean the brighter Milano Red as compared to the current Redondo Red Pearl? They might not bring back that specific red, but it's possible they'll continue to offer at least one shade of red.

:)

[Team GOOOSH]

SORRY ARIZONA

Buts its not AMERCAN BASHING.

its just poking fun at the generalised trends in American life that we internationaly see arround the world and find comical.


And i forgot one other feature on the AMERICAN MADE HONDA CRV

-Body stickers and stripes of the "5th Amendment" and "i love the constitution"

Cheers.

[acura5150]

It is factual that the Japanese vehicles made in the US have a higher defect rate than the ones made in Japan. Our only consolation is that the engines and transmissions are still made in Japan. So only the body work will suffer. :lol: I want the people building my car to commit 'hari kari' if there is a defect! Americans and high quality control are a contradiction. The truth hurts I know.

[MikeN]

Japanese understand the long term sales benefits to be had with a higher quality machine, and its attendant reputation, as opposed to the "quick flip" mentality of the domestics. The American ideology is that profit is the only consideration....they will put out whatever garbage they can get away with as long as people keep buying it and the cash continues to flow in. The problem they are starting to have, however, is that society now very different than it was in the '60s.

These days the burdens on people's time and stress levels are higher than ever. The pressures of career, family and finances continue to escalate. A car is one of the most important items people need in the daily rat race, and dealing with a broken one is a serious imposition. Suddenly, frivolous trinkets like back seat movie theaters and Men In Black disappearing cup holders are not enough to attract buyers into dealerships. The last thing Joe Q. Public needs is a vehicle that spends more time in a service bay than on the road, and there is now a perception that Japanese vehicles are superior in this regard. IMO this is one of several reasons the domestics are struggling today.

[Vee]

Buick has consistently been rated pretty highly by Consumer's Digest as having the least trouble... higher than Honda.

I had a Buick... it was a company car. What a god awful ugly machine that was. However, after 70,000 miles I had no problems. The Ford Taurus I had afterwards was not as good to me. The Oldsmobiles were pretty bad too.

I know... GM... Buick has been rated way above the rest of the GM products for a number of years now... I just don't know the name of the guy who had to have been fired for the Aztek design. Whoa.

[RagingAngel]

I think the key to daily driven vehicles in general comes from the fact that the N.American sulphur content is due to reach "low" levels ....found globally in 06 or 07.....

I personally would like to see Honda's diesel motor make it into the new CR-V and the rest of the lineup.

Afterall, they do have the CR-V (diesel) abroad....amongst all the other good stuff we lust for sometimes.... :lol:

[PatrickDorrian]

[quote="Team GOOOSH"]WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Honda made in the USA?


You have english built nissans that have been a parody of reliability.

Primera and Micra to name two of them.

Sadly nissan has gone into partnership with renault and the new micra is renault engined.

Parody of reliability gone

[jsstover]

According to VTEC.NET (which I find to be 90% accurate):

MY07 Redesign
Production will be moved to America
Expected 180-200HP

These are all speculative....but I would bet the HP is on the mark. I am about 50-50 on the American Production though, however it is possible. I don't think I'll be buying a new G3 CR-V if its built in Ohio....there goes the build quality, I don't even trust the UK built ones. :?

I have to disagree with you here. I don't think it has anything to do with where its actually built, but more with the mindset of the employees building it. True, you are more likely to get a Monday or Friday car with a UAW Jeep in Toledo, but I think that has to do with American Union mentality. I apologize to all UAW folks here. Just because its built just outside of Columbus Ohio, doesn't mean that it can't be built with Japanese quality.

[Rodsterin_FL]

I visited Japan this summer and I was amazed at the attention to detail. I just never realized how that was such a powerful culturally embedded trait. I KNEW that Japanese were good "copiers" per se as many have shared with me in the past and about their cars, etc. but the detail factor was simply amazing. One restaurant we observed small pizzas being made. The pizzas were coming out of the oven and a man checked out their appearance and "hot aired" them to brown them after cooking. Everywhere we looked similar things were being done. I believe that this sense of detail and maybe pride in their work is what makes them succeed so well. As far as where the Honda's are made, I am unsure why there would be a difference unless too much of the process were done without careful product quality standards. Is the English made CRV really worse than the Japanese one?

[blueiedgod]

I visited Japan this summer and I was amazed at the attention to detail. I just never realized how that was such a powerful culturally embedded trait. I KNEW that Japanese were good "copiers" per se as many have shared with me in the past and about their cars, etc. but the detail factor was simply amazing. One restaurant we observed small pizzas being made. The pizzas were coming out of the oven and a man checked out their appearance and "hot aired" them to brown them after cooking. Everywhere we looked similar things were being done. I believe that this sense of detail and maybe pride in their work is what makes them succeed so well. As far as where the Honda's are made, I am unsure why there would be a difference unless too much of the process were done without careful product quality standards. Is the English made CRV really worse than the Japanese one?

How about at the construction site, there is guy whose job is to wash the dump truck wheels and underbelly BEFORE it hits the public road, so that no one else has to deal with the dirt being flung around by the dump truck. How many times have you been behind a dirty truck in US spewing its load onto your car?

How about the "subway pusher" whose job is to make sure the trains are loaded to full capacity?

It is not so much attention to detail as you say it, it is more PRIDE IN WHAT YOU DO. A worker in Japan making defective product will being shame onto his family. A worker producing defective product may or may not be told by his union leader, depending how close the worker and the union leader are. Also, union members constantly producing defective products are not punished because the UNION stand behind them. UNIONS seem counter productive these days.

WE have a big Delphi plant in this area. The stories I hear make me wonder how it stayed afloat for so long. There are days when all of the plant workers are hearded into a cafeteria and kept there for 8 hours because there is no work. Delphi can not send them home because unions would not allow that. So, Delphi pays the salary to people who are not producing anything. This is the most RETARDED practice ever. No wonder Delphi can't stay afloat.

[norsepanda]

i realize that some members here are too young to remember when "made in Japan" meant cheap and flimsy. others may not be aware of Dr. Deming's contributions: Dr. W. Edwards Deming is known as the father of the Japanese post-war industrial revival and was regarded by many as the leading quality guru in the United States. He passed on in 1993. Trained as a statistician, his expertise was used during World War II to assist the United States in its effort to improve the quality of war materials. Later on he was successful in teaching the Japanese more advanced manufacturing methods. He was invited back to Japan time after time where he became a revered counselor. For his efforts he was awarded the Second Order of the Sacred Treasure by the former Emperor Hirohito. Japanese scientists and engineers named the famed Deming Prize after him. It is bestowed on organizations that apply and achieve stringent quality-performance criteria.

so, it's not that Americans don't know how to build in quality, the problem is 1 of will.

[chillin2345]

Sorry to veer off course on this topic...

In some of the early replies to this post, there was discussion of a "possible" 180-200hp engine in the G3 CR-V. If the new RAV-4 will feature a small V6, wouldn't Honda match it?

-Bobby

[AoS]

The V6 RAV-4 is a 3.5 liter engine with 269hp ... that's too much for a CR-V. This market space will be covered by the Acura RD-X.

[chillin2345]

The V6 RAV-4 is a 3.5 liter engine with 269hp ... that's too much for a CR-V. This market space will be covered by the Acura RD-X.

So do you think that the RD-X will match the 269hp? I really hope that, whatever Honda does, we don't end up with a gutless engine (high HP rating, low torque rating).

[MikeN]

I am betting the 07 CR-V keeps the 2.4 but attains a TSX-like state of tune (i.e. around 200 hp).

[The Swedish guy]

It's all in the design and the quality of materials. Americans are just as skilled and hardworking as anyone else including Japan. :D

:lol: US bulit cars ALWAYS get complaints in European tests for poor build quality and lousy fitting of the parts, no matter if its a Ford, GM, MB or BMW.... they just cant get the door to align properly or mount a dashboard without squeaks of course it has improved the last years but still a LONG way to go

[AoS]

So do you think that the RD-X will match the 269hp? I really hope that, whatever Honda does, we don't end up with a gutless engine (high HP rating, low torque rating).
The rumors are talking about a 2.4 turbo engine with ~250hp for the RD-X.

[Racoon]

There are also rumors it will be a hybrid engine at around 200 hp.

And until the official specs are released, that's all it is: rumors.

:)

[iskjone]

It's all in the design and the quality of materials. Americans are just as skilled and hardworking as anyone else including Japan. :D

I agree with Bracky. The reason GM and Ford cars suck swamp water is because how they are designed, not because of how skilled american workers assemble them. Anyone who thinks the american worker can't compete on the global stage just doesn't know jack about anything.

[The Swedish guy]

I agree with Bracky. The reason GM and Ford cars suck swamp water is because how they are designed, not because of how skilled american workers assemble them. Anyone who thinks the american worker can't compete on the global stage just doesn't know jack about anything.

I see so you mean the evil designers comes down to the line and un-does the bolts a half turn you mean?? :lol:

Seriously ive seen way too man examples of poor craftsmanship on US bulit cars: nuts and bolts not properly tighted, doors and hatches completly missaligned leaving uneven slots, bad crimped wires, wrong mounted cables on brand new cars etc etc so i do know what im talking about here... and yes i do love the roar of a Big Block V8

[MiniUteShopper]

This has been an interesting thread, with lots of topics.

If we are happy with a 160 hp CR-V, and we all seem to be happy with our cars, why should Honda feel compelled to boost the power in the 2007 by so much. This is strictly my own opinion but I would rather have a very efficient gas 4 cyl than a hybrid 6 cyl. The mpg is probably similar, and the repair costs and reliability have got to be better. Honda's strength is gas engines. They make them for motorcycles, chain saws, boats, lawn mowers, generators...etc. For Honda to stray too far from gas engines is risky because that is where its competitive advantage is. Why do you think all these street tuners start with Honda products ? Because they have such solid engines. Why are accords and civics the most stolen cars ? for their engines ! Gas engines and a high quality manufacturing process are Honda's core strengths, not new technology development. It seems to me that Honda has a history of letting others do development work, and then they refine it. Minivans were around for a long time before Honda got in and dominated. It entered the SUV segment by putting their name on an Isuzu for a while until it could develop its own, and 25 years after Ford made a Pick-Up the best selling vehicle, it starts making Pick-ups. Where has Honda been revolutionary ? engine technology ( vtec, i-vtech, etc. ) and flexible manufacturing. Honda has its production line set up so it can make accords this week and civics next week if it wants to.

The quality of a car has never been dependent on the skill of the worker. It depends on the philosophy of quality that management dictates. Demming was laughed out of Detroit with his crazy ideas about statistical controls and Total Quality Management, so he found a receptive audience in Japanese management circles. Detroit is trying to recover now, but can't seem to really get it. I have some very strong anti Union opinions, so I will just skip the whole UAW angle here.

sorry this was so long....cars, quality, and GM's ineptness are some of my favorite topics.....to have them all come together in one post was more than I could resist !

[Tiggercat]

The conflict of US quality vs. Japanese quality comes down to civics. Let's be honest - a large percentage of American workers are more interested in their next coffee break or their next union contract than they are in making sure they are doing their job to perfection. The Japanese mind-set is much more focussed on doing the task at hand as well as possible, so as not to lose face.

In other words, many American workers just don't care if their boss finds a bolt that wasn't fully tightened, while many Japanese workers would be horrified in the same situation. I know someone is going to jump in and say, not ALL Americans are that way - I never said they were. If 100 different people are involved in building a vehicle, is it bad if 1% of them don't care about the quality of their work? I guess that depends on whether they're the ones who work on the brakes. :twisted:

[MiniUteShopper]

I agree that the attitude of the person assembling the car is crucial, but that attitude comes directly from the management and indirectly from the company culture. If a worker doesn't care if his boss finds a mistake, its because the boss doesn't care and the collective company attitude doesn't value mistake free work. I think the personal culture and values of the worker do come into play but only in method and not in the results. What I mean by that is that while an american worker might not feel shame for being singled out for poor quality, he won't want to get a written warning, suspension, bad review,moved to second shift, etc. If Management places a high priority on making vehicles a certain way, the employees will get on board with the methods. I think Honda can build a vehicle anywhere it wants to and maintain its level of quality. I don't think an American worker has any inherant obstacles to doing good work, other than the attitudes and values of management.

[Tiggercat]

I agree, but the problem is societal. The US has become such a haven for politically correct thought that no one wants to offend anyone. Add to that that we're a litigious society, and few people actually care, because companies are afraid to discipline employees. For example, Georgia is an "at will" state. That means that you are employed at the will of the employer, and he can fire you at any time, for any (or no) reason at all. The reality, however, is that even people who have been fired for cause have been successful at suing the employer and getting their job back. With that kind of a situation, workers aren't at all concerned with the idea of being written up for shoddy work.

[Rodsterin_FL]

Great thread! I just discovered it again.

It is sad about many people in our culture not caring or being cared for by the companies they work. I mentioned Japan and what I observed. I did not mention though how the street patrols were saluting the bus drivers, etc. I did not understand all that was going on but I did note how they ran to serve you and were really into what they were doing. You see that here but it is more a rarity than a norm. I also am aware of the postwar issues Japan faced (history channel) and they learned industrial methods from the US primarily and were build back up with US help. That said, I am very AMERICAN and believe that we are a great country, I just see things - attitudes, policies, etc., that concern me and I observed another culture that facinated me. I am sure they have issues too though.

So, where is the picure of the 2007 CRV?

[bugbert]

Hybrids are a near waste. I'll take a diesel CRV that Honda currently sells in the UK and gets amazing mileage. Biodiesel fuel can be made easily and is being made in this country, OPEC can go screw themselves.
I've already told my local Honda dealer that I will buy a diesel CRV the moment they get one and also a diesel Accord (also sold in the UK) anytime they bring one of those in to the US too.
For fun go to the Honda UK site and follow the diesel motor selection to the neat diesel info they have. If anyone thinks diesels aren't popular then why do 80% of Europeans buy them over gasoline motored cars.
Try to find a diesel VW of any type in this country thats used, you will pay a huge premium, they are in huge demand.
Go Honda!

Bugbert

[blueiedgod]

Hybrids are a near waste. I'll take a diesel CRV that Honda currently sells in the UK and gets amazing mileage. Biodiesel fuel can be made easily and is being made in this country, OPEC can go screw themselves.
I've already told my local Honda dealer that I will buy a diesel CRV the moment they get one and also a diesel Accord (also sold in the UK) anytime they bring one of those in to the US too.
For fun go to the Honda UK site and follow the diesel motor selection to the neat diesel info they have. If anyone thinks diesels aren't popular then why do 80% of Europeans buy them over gasoline motored cars.
Try to find a diesel VW of any type in this country thats used, you will pay a huge premium, they are in huge demand.
Go Honda!

Bugbert

I am with you on that.

[The Swedish guy]

If anyone thinks diesels aren't popular then why do 80% of Europeans buy them over gasoline motored cars.

Bugbert

Nah, you´re both right and wrong here..

In EU in general the diesels are around half of the total of new cars sold BUT there are lots of "local" variation in diffrent countries the "big" countries on diesel are France, Spain and Germany with a very high % of the cars sold are diesels while the Greeks only buy around 1-3% diesels and here in Sweden we have a pretty heavy taxing on diesels (5 times higher then the same petrol car) why?? Of tradition to protect Swedish car industry since Volvo nor Saab never made small any diesels, now that they do..well guess what, now they think of lowering the diesel taxes... :roll:

[brodmeister]

i thought canada had a couple honda factories... none that make the cr-v.. but still

[blueiedgod]

i thought canada had a couple honda factories... none that make the cr-v.. but still

Alliston, ON makes Oddysey, and Civic I believe.

[hondacrvaz]

If anyone thinks diesels aren't popular then why do 80% of Europeans buy them over gasoline motored cars.

Bugbert

Nah, you´re both right and wrong here..

In EU in general the diesels are around half of the total of new cars sold BUT there are lots of "local" variation in diffrent countries the "big" countries on diesel are France, Spain and Germany with a very high % of the cars sold are diesels while the Greeks only buy around 1-3% diesels and here in Sweden we have a pretty heavy taxing on diesels (5 times higher then the same petrol car) why?? Of tradition to protect Swedish car industry since Volvo nor Saab never made small any diesels, now that they do..well guess what, now they think of lowering the diesel taxes... :roll:

I find that argument harder to believe (lowering the Diesel tax for V/S) since both of the car segments are now American owned (Saab/GM and Volvo/Ford) how many Ford Volvos and GM Saabs are being sold in Sweden I would think their would be a huge revolt everyone else hates America why not the swedes.

[The Swedish guy]

You´d be amazed over how the politcians tries to save the "swedish" car industry, adjusting the taxes and taxes on comapny cars to fit cars made by Saab and Volvo therefor Sweden has the largest ( size wise) and most fuelcomsuming car fleet in europe ( also oldest i might add...)

Since Saab nor Volvo made any diesel in the past, dieselcars is a bad word here (Ethanol E85 is the polictical corrcet fuel to talk about..) BUT now as both Saab and Volvo make prettygood diesels the politicians started to think about lower the taxes on ALL diesel cars

And When GM says "were closing down Saab in Trollhättan and move it all to Opel in Russelsheim in Germany" suddenly the policians presents large investment plans on the infra structure around Trollhättan and down to the Gothenburg harbour... strange huh?? :roll:

[hondacrvaz]

You´d be amazed over how the politcian tryes to save the "swedish" car industry, adjusting the taxes and taxes on comapny cars to fit cars made by Saab and Volvo therefor Sweden has the largest ( size wise)and fuelcomsuming car fleet in europe ( also oldest i might add...)

Since Saab nor Volvo made any diesel in the past, dieselcars is a bad word here (Ethanol E85 is the polictical corrcet fuel to talk about..) BUT now as both Saab and Volvo make prettygood diesels the politicians started to think about lower the taxes on ALL diesel cars

And When GM says "were closing down Saab in Trollhättan and move it all to Opel in Russelsheim in Germany" suddenly the policians presents large investment plans on the infra structure around Trollhättan and down to the Gothenburg harbour... strange huh?? :roll:

It's funny how all politicans seem to think alike... LOL

[GwelfCRV]

In the interest of completeness of fact, the Acura MDX and 1.7EL , as well as the Honda Ridgeline, Pilot and Civic are all built at HCMI's operations in Alliston, Ontario. In fact this plant is currently the sole source for all 2-door Civic and Si models sold worldwide. The Pilot, Ridgeline and Odyssey (no longer made here) all had their North American manufacturing debuts at Alliston. There are actually two assembly plants in one giant complex, with a capacity of 390,000 vehicles per year.

http://www.honda.ca/HondaCorpEng/AboutHonda/HondaCanadaMfg/factsandfigures.htm

[MSA]

Here's some rumor. I really hope they can compete with the V6 Toyota RAV4. Than there will be a few more Mid-sized SUV rockets. (Forester, RAV4 and CR-V?)
Inside Line an Edmunds Website (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Preview/styleId=100626932?synpartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/future/2007/honda/crv/100626932/preview.html)

[hondacrvaz]

Here's some rumor. I really hope they can compete with the V6 Toyota RAV4. Than there will be a few more Mid-sized SUV rockets. (Forester, RAV4 and CR-V?)
Inside Line an Edmunds Website (http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/FVDP/Preview/styleId=100626932?synpartner=edmunds&pageurl=www.edmunds.com/future/2007/honda/crv/100626932/preview.html)

That article is consistent from what I've been hearing from my dealers service manager. The hybrid news was a new one but I don't think it's far fetched as Toyota is beating the crap out of Honda on all fronts.

[blueiedgod]

Rav4 is not going to be a compact SUV. Neither is the Current CR-V. If they make CR-V bigger, they would have to reincarnate HR-V and bring it over here, for the guys like me who want a small SUV.

[bing]

Good discussion on this thread.

Hey, what about the Element? It's on the price scale lower than the CR-V but I don't feel it is lower by any means.

The HR-V will be cool but do we really need another smaller SUV? Perhaps bringing the wagon/cross over type with 4wd is the way to go?

Just wondering.

Bing

[allen2002]

yes.....hybrids are a waste.......my dad looked into buying one and he noticed you will spend at least 10 grand more sometimes and will end up with more cons than pros

also diesel is nice but not to get all smart on yall.....but that gas supply is supposed to be running out in around the next 50 yrs or so....but then again who keeps a car for 50 yrs

[hondacrvaz]

yes.....hybrids are a waste.......my dad looked into buying one and he noticed you will spend at least 10 grand more sometimes and will end up with more cons than pros

also diesel is nice but not to get all smart on yall.....but that gas supply is supposed to be running out in around the next 50 yrs or so....but then again who keeps a car for 50 yrs

I just heard the US Govt. is going to provide a $3400 tax deduction if you purchase a hybrid however I'm not clear on the time frame.

That might make it worth it maybe by the end of 2006 prices will have come down some. Over 400,000 hybrids have been sold to date and most of that number came from 2005. Their only going to get more popular and should drop in price excpet the for luxury models, I read that Ford is licensing Toyota's technology and cross-sharing vendors for the Hybrids equipment thus futher reducing costs.

[bing]

That's a hefy tax deduction at $3400! The current deduction started at $2000 and is reduced $500 each year and this applies only to new cars/owners.

Only new owners can deduct $1000 for 2006.

Bing

[pepper2]

HI, I am doing my first oil change and I know that it takes 4.2 quarts but I am having trouble figure out how much is the .2 on the oil bottle it seems to be measured in liters. Thanks for any advice.

[blueiedgod]

Good discussion on this thread.

Hey, what about the Element? It's on the price scale lower than the CR-V but I don't feel it is lower by any means.

The HR-V will be cool but do we really need another smaller SUV? Perhaps bringing the wagon/cross over type with 4wd is the way to go?

Just wondering.

Bing

Honda Civic Wagon 4WD of the late 80's was the CR-V's Grandfather, it is just Honda was about 10 years ahead of time :-) I wouldn't mind getting a Honda Civic Wagon 4WD instead of the CR-V. I would have actually preferred to get it in the shape of the 2002-2005 Civic Si :-)

[Alpine]

A Honda made in the USA?

My 1999 Civic Coupe was made in the USA. My 2001 CR-V was made in Japan. Both are as good as the other. My father's Accord V6 is made in Thailand. It feels as tight as a fish's butthole.

[Bostonlou]

there is going to be a V8 in the 2007 version

[Racoon]

there is going to be a V8 in the 2007 version
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[summersr]

yes.....hybrids are a waste.......my dad looked into buying one and he noticed you will spend at least 10 grand more sometimes and will end up with more cons than pros

also diesel is nice but not to get all smart on yall.....but that gas supply is supposed to be running out in around the next 50 yrs or so....but then again who keeps a car for 50 yrs

Agree on the hybrid comment. Once you are over 35 mph you are running on the engine.

As it relates to Diesel...BioDiesel can be made from soy, mustard seed, other agro products. However it seems the big oil boys are playing games with the price of diesel now days. It used to parallel 91 octane but now is a lot higher. With my type of driving the difference between a 22MPH gas engine and a 40MPG diesel engine is not a great savings anymore

[allen2002]

ya i think we need to think of better substitutions for gas such as diesel but if i remember correctly..oil is no where close to running out.

[The Swedish guy]

[ It feels as tight as a fish's butthole.


:lol: :lol: :lol: is that an idiomatic expression for good or bad then?? :?

[mrtn]

depends if you like tight or loose? :D

[blueiedgod]

..oil is no where close to running out.

Think again. Saudi's have reached the maximum capacity, but they keep this a secret. Venezuelan's can't deside whether to sell to us or not. Russians are too eager to become the next US (control the world), and Chinese are getting more and more hungry for oil.

After all, there was only a few billion of dinasaur species, that died and some got converted to oil under pressure. So, the amount of crude oil is very finite.

At least biodiesel is renewable. You can gro corn, soy, cotton, and what not to get the primary product out of it, and then extract oil, bubble some methoxide (Methanol+Ammonium or sodium hydroxide) and make bio diesel and glycerin.

What are we going to do to make new crude, burry people in deep holes hoping they get converted to crude?

[RagingAngel]

While this thread has gone off track I can't help but notice a number of members have expressed interest in BioDiesel etc.

For North America specifically....well Canada, I believe the sulfur content is finally low enough in Diesel to meet certain standards where pollution from such engines is within acceptable levels.....Let's not forget how good some Diesel engines have become....

One thing to remember is that Rudolf Diesel, the founder of the Diesel engine originally designed the engine to run on vegetable oil. The main issue is that waste veggie oil (WVO) coagulates at low temps making it difficult to inject into the engine. However, with today's technology (in general), there exists alternatives like www.greasel.com

Finally, although it is possible to recycle the large NiMH batteries used in hybrids and recycling technology appears to be getting better and better, we cannot ignore that - if the use of these batteries are not properly regulated, we are just delaying the pollution we put into our earth..... by burying the dead/damaged (think car accident) batteries.

There's hope....since Diesel technology continues to be refined.... let's just hope Honda has the foresight to make a class leader....and then offer it to us here in N.America.

Cheers!

[blueiedgod]

While this thread has gone off track I can't help but notice a number of members have expressed interest in BioDiesel etc.

For North America specifically....well Canada, I believe the sulfur content is finally low enough in Diesel to meet certain standards where pollution from such engines is within acceptable levels.....Let's not forget how good some Diesel engines have become....

One thing to remember is that Rudolf Diesel, the founder of the Diesel engine originally designed the engine to run on vegetable oil. The main issue is that waste veggie oil (WVO) coagulates at low temps making it difficult to inject into the engine. However, with today's technology (in general), there exists alternatives like www.greasel.com

Finally, although it is possible to recycle the large NiMH batteries used in hybrids and recycling technology appears to be getting better and better, we cannot ignore that - if the use of these batteries are not properly regulated, we are just delaying the pollution we put into our earth..... by burying the dead/damaged (think car accident) batteries.

There's hope....since Diesel technology continues to be refined.... let's just hope Honda has the foresight to make a class leader....and then offer it to us here in N.America.

Cheers!

www.greasecar.com is the original inventor and manufacturer of grease conversion kits for used vegetable oil.

[allen2002]

what i think we should start using for energy instead of gas should be these things called TOKAMAKS. They are these huge electromagnent things that creat energy (like nuclear power) but they r the temp of the sun and produce a TON of energy.
i think if i remember why we dont use them is because kennedy or someone like that signed an agreement that we wont use them because tokamaks wastes can be used for bombs.

also about the resources running out.....heres how it goes
Uraniuim oxide (nuclear)- within the next 1000-5000 yrs
coal and lignite- 750 yrs-800
HEAVY OIL AND TAR SANDS- (this is the one i meant earlier, just wasnt discriptive enough)- never will run out
crude oil- 50-150
natural gas- (diesel) within 50 yrs

[blueiedgod]

what i think we should start using for energy instead of gas should be these things called TOKAMAKS. They are these huge electromagnent things that creat energy (like nuclear power) but they r the temp of the sun and produce a TON of energy.
i think if i remember why we dont use them is because kennedy or someone like that signed an agreement that we wont use them because tokamaks wastes can be used for bombs.

also about the resources running out.....heres how it goes
Uraniuim oxide (nuclear)- within the next 1000-5000 yrs
coal and lignite- 750 yrs-800
HEAVY OIL AND TAR SANDS- (this is the one i meant earlier, just wasnt discriptive enough)- never will run out
crude oil- 50-150
natural gas- (diesel) within 50 yrs

Diesel is one of the products of Crude oil in the refraction. Natural gas, methane is sometimes found in the oil fields but not related to crude oil.

The biggest producers of methane in the world are cows. :-) Maybe we can tap into the that as well. :-) Cows are not only good for steak and milk, but fuel as well.

There was a thread on Edmunds a while back on why goats are better than cars. The conclusion was that:

1. Goats don't use fuel, but rather graze.
2. Properly trained grazing goat replaces a lawn mower.
3. Goats can be used for transportation.
4. Goats produce milk.
5. Goats self-replicate. All you need is just a pair to start up.
6. When goat is old, you just eat it.

[allen2002]

shit in 80 yrs hope i dont find myself riding a goat.....ill kill myself
but ya all of the info above is accurate(my geology professor lectures about it)

[jbrock]

Okay, um, we are a bit off topic now, but a few things:

- The new hyrid tax reduction is a credit, not a deduction. Credits are way better.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/AUTOS/tipsandadvice/12/21/hybrid_tax_credits/?section=cnn_topstories

- A tokamak is a fusion reactor (as in nuclear power). The reason we are still 50 years away from building a fusion reaction in one that will sustatin itself with a postive power output not because it produces nasty waste (it doesn't) but rather because of a lack of research funding.

http://www.psfc.mit.edu/research/alcator/index.html

- Remember that that "Made in America" sticker really only means that it is _assembled_ in America. Them parts in thar come from all over. This is 2006, globalization is here. Your Microsoft products likely do have hefty contributions from India

[blueiedgod]

Your Microsoft products likely do have hefty contributions from India

That would explain why voice recognition in XP does not recognize my voice. I need to talk like Apu from Simpsons. :-)

[Robert]

Has this been looked at yet? I didn't feel like browsing all six pages:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/09/detroit-2006-acura-rdx-prototype-suv/
Should be some hints at what the next V will look like. I don't care for the look and it seems like a combination of Toyo Matrix and RAV4. Of course they may change it quite a bit before production.

[Trigger]

Has this been looked at yet? I didn't feel like browsing all six pages:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/09/detroit-2006-acura-rdx-prototype-suv/
Should be some hints at what the next V will look like. I don't care for the look and it seems like a combination of Toyo Matrix and RAV4. Of course they may change it quite a bit before production.Buh - I hope that's not what it'll look like. And skimming through a few pages of this thread, it sounds like people here generally frown on hybrid technology. I was looking forward to there being a crv hybrid. I hope they do a different design for the regular vs hybrid like they did with the civic this year. The new civic hybrid looks awesome compared to the regular civic.

[hondacrvaz]

Has this been looked at yet? I didn't feel like browsing all six pages:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/01/09/detroit-2006-acura-rdx-prototype-suv/
Should be some hints at what the next V will look like. I don't care for the look and it seems like a combination of Toyo Matrix and RAV4. Of course they may change it quite a bit before production.Buh - I hope that's not what it'll look like. And skimming through a few pages of this thread, it sounds like people here generally frown on hybrid technology. I was looking forward to there being a crv hybrid. I hope they do a different design for the regular vs hybrid like they did with the civic this year. The new civic hybrid looks awesome compared to the regular civic.

All I can say is I hope the RDX looks better in person than in those pictures. :roll:

[ukrkoz]

HERE'S 2006 HONDA CR-V SPECS:

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.4 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 156 hp
Max Horsepower: 5900 rpm Torque: 160 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 3600 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1500 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.1 ft.
(CAN'T EVEN LOG ON TO HONDA WEBSITE, HAD TO PULL OFF EDMUNDS)

HERE'S TOYOTA RAV4 2006 SPECS:


3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve SFI Dual VVT-i V6 [1]
269 hp @ 6200 rpm/246 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm Available
(PULLED OFF TOYOTA WEBSITE)

EVERYONE NOTICED THAT PUNY 269 HP?

and look at this comparison:
RAV4 / CR-V Compariston on Edmunds.com (http://toyota.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/toyota/VehicleComparison;JSESSIONID_TOYOTA_COMPARATOR=DNR CYNKmpWnz0cw8fxYLX8CmLzhK7TSjD1b1N49bZvV5DClSTKNL!-768909017?op=9&basestyleid=100673100&styleid=100650236&tab=advantage)

RAV-4 EVEN COSTS LESS, WDF??

WAKE UP, HONDA!!!!

WHAT WAS ALL THAT YEP HERE ABOUT "MODERATE POWER BOOST" FOR 2007 MODEL? TOYOTA WILL HAVE YOU ON THE PLATTER AND EVEN WITHOUT APPETIZER. WHAT THE HACK THEY ARE THINKING DOWN THERE IN KYOTO?

[mrtn]

ukrkoz, ever thought of sales figures based on insurance and fuel economy?

[blueiedgod]

HERE'S 2006 HONDA CR-V SPECS:

Performance
Base Number of Cylinders: 4 Base Engine Size: 2.4 liters
Base Engine Type: Inline 4 Horsepower: 156 hp
Max Horsepower: 5900 rpm Torque: 160 ft-lbs.
Max Torque: 3600 rpm Maximum Towing Capacity: 1500 lbs.
Drive Type: FWD Turning Circle: 34.1 ft.
(CAN'T EVEN LOG ON TO HONDA WEBSITE, HAD TO PULL OFF EDMUNDS)

HERE'S TOYOTA RAV4 2006 SPECS:


3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve SFI Dual VVT-i V6 [1]
269 hp @ 6200 rpm/246 lb.-ft. @ 4700 rpm Available
(PULLED OFF TOYOTA WEBSITE)

EVERYONE NOTICED THAT PUNY 269 HP?

and look at this comparison:
RAV4 / CR-V Compariston on Edmunds.com (http://toyota.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/toyota/VehicleComparison;JSESSIONID_TOYOTA_COMPARATOR=DNR CYNKmpWnz0cw8fxYLX8CmLzhK7TSjD1b1N49bZvV5DClSTKNL!-768909017?op=9&basestyleid=100673100&styleid=100650236&tab=advantage)

RAV-4 EVEN COSTS LESS, WDF??

WAKE UP, HONDA!!!!

WHAT WAS ALL THAT YEP HERE ABOUT "MODERATE POWER BOOST" FOR 2007 MODEL? TOYOTA WILL HAVE YOU ON THE PLATTER AND EVEN WITHOUT APPETIZER. WHAT THE HACK THEY ARE THINKING DOWN THERE IN KYOTO?

Apple to apples.
2006 Honda CR-V All-wheel Drive LX, $21,354 (http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=06902&acode=USB60HOS022A0&restore=false)

2006 Toyota RAV4 4x4 Base, $21,301

(http://www.carsdirect.com/build/options?zipcode=06902&acode=USB60TOS112A0&restore=false)

[hondacrvaz]

Wow pick up the February 2006 Popular Mechanics on Page 50 bottom left corner is the Asian Spy Report and they have a picture of the 2007-08 CR-V. It's larger and packs the same 2.4L Four but they claim close to 200 hp.

[tsturbo]

Can you scan the pic and post it?

[hondacrvaz]

Can you scan the pic and post it?

Here you go...

[etc]

ug-leee

[Racoon]

Okay, now that's clearly photochopped.

http://www.hondasuv.com/main2/files/pmx0206newcar001_large.jpghttp://auto.consumerguide.com/images/autoreview/400x266/2006-Honda-CR-V-05802071000002.JPG

Look at the headlights and wheels. And the way the bumper meets the front hood. Tacky.

It's all rumors and speculation until Honda releases official photos.

:D

[Robert]

Can you scan the pic and post it?

Here you go...

I hate to say this but that seems very much like a fake. In fact, hasn't that one been debunked already? It has the same mirrors, headlights, wheels and other parts as the current V. It also just looks photochopped.

[Robert]

Darnit, Racoon, you just barely beat me! :)

[tsturbo]

Hmmm, if that is it, which i don't think or hope it is, I will have to consider the new RAV or the RDX depending on where it comes in on price. I love Honda's but that front end/grill is more than fugly.

[etc]

http://www.acura-honda.ru/fotos/picture209053285233.jpg
http://crvclub.nm.ru/foto/honda_crv_2007.jpg
http://photocdn.sohu.com/20051014/Img240538363.jpg

looks like a bad mix between hr-v, cr-v and rav4 :roll:

http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/trurl_pagecontent?lp=ru_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcrvclub.nm.ru%2F2007.htm

[Racoon]

I saw similar drawings on another forum recently.

Makes me wonder -- which came first? The artists drawings or the photochop?

:D

[etc]

ok - weve got a couple of months to see whos right - you or the pictures :wink:

[hondacrvaz]

I saw similar drawings on another forum recently.

Makes me wonder -- which came first? The artists drawings or the photochop?

:D

Their clearaly stated as artists illustrations based on feedback from insiders at Honda. If you would just read the article in ther mgazine I even provded the page number or hit the web page all of this wasted space that it's a "photochop" would've been avoided. What a waste of space and time.

[JustinTime]

Wheel spokes are in the EXACT same position. So whether you like it or not, it is photochopped. Meaning: it was assembled in photoshop my merging 2 or more cars etc. FACT.

[hondacrvaz]

Wheel spokes are in the EXACT same position. So whether you like it or not, it is photochopped. Meaning: it was assembled in photoshop my merging 2 or more cars etc. FACT.

No kidding sherlock that's my point. It's an illustration of what someones idea of what it'll look like.

NOW to get back on topic what do you think of it? I like it from the firewall back obviously the front-end is a joke. Could look better than the RDX with a cleaned up front end.

[Racoon]

I don't like it at all, especially the D pillar and the reduced size of the rear most side window. The blind spot is too large.

JM2C

[Racoon]

Their clearaly stated as artists illustrations based on feedback from insiders at Honda. If you would just read the article in ther mgazine I even provded the page number or hit the web page all of this wasted space that it's a "photochop" would've been avoided. What a waste of space and time.
I tried the website. Search didn't find the article or picture, at least I couldn't find it. I don't normally read the magazine, so the page reference isn't of use to me.

And since it's clearly a photochopped image it's not worth it, at least not to me, to go find a copy of the magazine in a store to read an article about an image that someone has created, and probably doesn't look like the 2007 CR-V will look.

Until Honda makes an official announcement and releases pictures it's all speculation, rumors, and wishful thinking.

JM2C

:)

[hondacrvaz]

I don't like it at all, especially the D pillar and the reduced size of the rear most side window. The blind spot is too large.

JM2C

Yes I hate the rear window looks too small will have to wait and see. :)

Here is the article and link to it:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/spy_reports/2254161.html?page=3&c=y


2007-08 HONDA CR-V
Photograph by Hidden Image

ASIA SPY BY BEN STEWART

Now that there's a brand-new Civic, Honda is working feverishly to ready an all-new CR-V. And our spies within Honda say it will strongly resemble this photo illustration. They also tell us that it shares the new Civic's chassis and futuristic two-tiered dash. Under the hood will be a stronger 2.4-liter Four putting out close to 200 hp. Unlike the old CR-V, this bigger, roomier model will likely get a version of the Civic's hybrid powertrain.

[etc]

its not going to be bigger - check the article i provided - there are exact figures there

[Racoon]

Here is the article and link to it:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/spy_reports/2254161.html?page=3&c=y


2007-08 HONDA CR-V
Photograph by Hidden Image

ASIA SPY BY BEN STEWART

Now that there's a brand-new Civic, Honda is working feverishly to ready an all-new CR-V. And our spies within Honda say it will strongly resemble this photo illustration. They also tell us that it shares the new Civic's chassis and futuristic two-tiered dash. Under the hood will be a stronger 2.4-liter Four putting out close to 200 hp. Unlike the old CR-V, this bigger, roomier model will likely get a version of the Civic's hybrid powertrain.
Thanks for the link.

:)

[CR-Vince]

Wheel spokes are in the EXACT same position. So whether you like it or not, it is photochopped. Meaning: it was assembled in photoshop my merging 2 or more cars etc. FACT.

Wheelspokes in the same position doesn't automatically indicate a Photoshop job. When cars are on display -- whether in photos or on a showroom floor, there's a lot of attention to detail. At the Houston Auto Show, many of the cars were displayed with the wheels oriented so that the wheel logos were all right-side up.

[blueiedgod]

ug-leee

The new CR-V front grille kind of looks like HR-V :-)

[etc]

ug-leee

The new CR-V front grille kind of looks like HR-V :-)
haha could you imagine :lol:
imitation is the best form of flattery :P
hr-v was the among the first of its kind - now everyone makes crossovers

[allen2002]

wow i hope thats not going to be the new crv....thats incredibly ugly......wheres the grille?! lol

[hondacrvaz]

Here is another illustration from German? car magazine AutoMotor and Sport:

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/101491/d_ams_erlkoenig_detail?skip=0

[Racoon]

While not in this particular thread, that picture has been posted before.

:)

[WestTexan]

Okay, we are concerned with the outside, of course. And, that drawing does look okay (except the cargo space seems small.) I'm guessing the headlights will look more like the newer Pilot's as Honda is trying to market the CR-V as a "truck" in commercials. Still the exterior lines scream "new civic-like". I like the exterior, but what I really buy the car for is the inside. That's where my family and I are. The safety, ease of use and driveability of the CR-V is why we bought it. Looks were definitely second place at best.

What I'm really wondering is, what are the changes for the interior? Does anyone have any info on upgrades for safety and convenience features? For instance, will power seats be an option? Can the driver get one more inch of legroom? Will there be a third row? Or, even rear seat a/c vents? These are the things that will make me consider a second CR-V for my other daughter...

[hondacrvaz]

While not in this particular thread, that picture has been posted before.

:)

I think it looks very similar to the "photochopped" image everyone was complaining about especially with the front bumper.

The more and more I view the RDX the less enthralled I am with the styling I sure hope the production version is improved.

[wrhsldmn]

I have a 2003 CR-V built in the U.K. I have no problem at all with the build quality. Its a very well put together SUV. The only problem I had with it was a velcro fastener coming loose inside the headliner back by the cargo area causing a clunking noise at any speed above 35 mph. This was an adhesive problem though. The problem surfaced at around 2000 miles or so. Nobody's fault. Just one of those things. If anyone else has had a problem with this, would love to hear about it. I now have over 26000 miles on my V and its been great.

[hondacrvaz]

New Nissan "mini' Murano to compete against the CR-V, X3 and RAV4.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/jcf/spyphotoID/6060330.001/nissan/first-pictures-of-all-new-nissan-suv

[Boricua65]

If this new CR-V has a V6, I will be soooo tempted to get it. I only have two years left to pay off the current that I have, but the temptation will be there. :)

[Don Larios]

Just as a general comment - and this is not speculation - I have only just joined and this is the finest Forum dealing with the Honda motor car that I have ever come across. Thanks to every one and I shall be spending hours in catching up on what I have been missing.

[hondacrvaz]

Just as a general comment - and this is not speculation - I have only just joined and this is the finest Forum dealing with the Honda motor car that I have ever come across. Thanks to every one and I shall be spending hours in catching up on what I have been missing.

Welcome Don I too feel this site is one of the best!

[bumpzter]

New Nissan "mini' Murano to compete against the CR-V, X3 and RAV4.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/jcf/spyphotoID/6060330.001/nissan/first-pictures-of-all-new-nissan-suv
Nissan already have competition for CR-V's and Rav4's. The X-Trail.

The pictures look to me like the the soon to be announced Nissan Versa. It's a sub compact like the Fit and Aveo and others.

We'll see. :)

[hondacrvaz]

New Nissan "mini' Murano to compete against the CR-V, X3 and RAV4.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/spyphotos.cfm/country/jcf/spyphotoID/6060330.001/nissan/first-pictures-of-all-new-nissan-suv
Nissan already have competition for CR-V's and Rav4's. The X-Trail.

The pictures look to me like the the soon to be announced Nissan Versa. It's a sub compact like the Fit and Aveo and others.

We'll see. :)

The Xtrail isn't sold in the USA and I heard a month ago it was being replaced?

[bumpzter]

The Xtrail isn't sold in the USA and I heard a month ago it was being replaced?
You may be right.

Nissan released the Sub-Compact Note in Europe earlier this year. Probably the same as the Versa.

[etc]

http://www.hondasuv.com/main2/files/note.jpg
http://www.hondasuv.com/main2/files/6060330.001.1m.jpg
:roll: :lol: at nissan they obviously lack inspiration...
"why dont we just put the same cupe on a higher suspension and sell it as a different model?"
:lol:

[MutantCheese]

What about the new 6 wheel model CRV6? :lol:

Due in ATV stores by x-mas 2006 :roll:

[botman!]

What about the new 6 wheel model CRV6? :lol:

Due in ATV stores by x-mas 2006 :roll:

Any idea of the MSRP???? :wink:

[Chris_98_LX]

Think about it. Car makers for years have made models in different countries, but their success has been short lived due to global public perception that car manufacturers can only control its quality in its homeland.

An example the "M" series Mercedes-Benz made in america. Im sure you would agree that Mercedez-Benz can no longer be classified as a "German" car (and the associated quality manufacture & design) if its made in America or anywhere else other than in Germany.

I would think Honda would only manufacter the CRV in America to boost its sales there, but at a cost of loosing sales in other countries.

I dont know......and Amercan made Japanese car?

Whats next a new generation of superior Boeing jet planes made by Lada in Russia? or the latest in Microsoft technology.....designed, tested and manufactured in Latvia.

Toyota Corollas after 1990 were made in CA by GM. I wasnt aware that the Accords were US made however. I did and still own a 1994 TOyota Corolla. It is still running like any other Toyota made in japan. Although its been tweeked a little, 479 WHP no bottle. The US can build good cars but for I as long that i can remember we just could not build a good 4 cylinder. We have the V8s locked up and could always build a decent V6. However, the japanese car makers are starting to build V8s jut as good as us but with better MPG.

Chris

[arunpv]

I think Honda CRV 07 and Acura MDX 07 are going to share the same design
check this
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/03/28/acura-mdx-concept-drawing/

[sleeksilver]

uhhhh how are you making 479whp??? I'd love to see that dyno chart, octane and PSI you ran, and a list of mods..... That's unheard of :?

[Racoon]

I think Honda CRV 07 and Acura MDX 07 are going to share the same design
check this
http://www.autoblog.com/2006/03/28/acura-mdx-concept-drawing/
I doubt that, as the MDX and Pilot are the Honda/Acrua offerings built on the same platform and power train.

:)

[hondacrvaz]

What about the new 6 wheel model CRV6? :lol:

Due in ATV stores by x-mas 2006 :roll:

I think this will work much better.... true 6-wheel drive

[Racoon]

Sure looks like the "spy shot" images and drawings that have been attributed to the 2007 CR-V:

http://photocdn.sohu.com/20051014/Img240538363.jpg

http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2006/04/12/HON2006041228181_pv.jpg

http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2006/04/12/HON2006041228620_pv.jpg

http://crvclub.nm.ru/foto/honda_crv_2007.jpg


:D

[CaRloVer]

Looks like we have a fair idea how it will look:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10908_ZHPHCXYBRRMDO.jpg

I for one am rather disappointed. I was hoping for something a lot more truck-like. It seems it's off-road ability is being compromised.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_2007_Honda_CR-V.S178.A10364.html

[etc]

honda has a truck already - if you want one - get one :wink:

[norsepanda]

if you believe Honda's US advertising, they have a whole line of trucks: Ridgeline, Pilot and CR-V. i don't know how they classify the HR-V in world markets.

[AoS]

if you believe Honda's US advertising, they have a whole line of trucks: Ridgeline, Pilot and CR-V. i don't know how they classify the HR-V in world markets.
They've stopped making the HR-V anyway :roll:

[CaRloVer]

The new CR-V looks somewhat like the Stream, a vehicle who's looks I am not too fond of. The lower suspension seems to indicate even less off-road capability than before. I was rather hoping to see VTM-4 come to the CR-V

[robertcarberry]

It seems like the 2007 will get more horsepower. Does that mean just faster or could it mean better gas milage? Trying to decide whether to wait for the 2007's, or get rid of my CR-V before it hits 60000 miles. :roll:

[Racoon]

No one knows for sure, yet.

Honda as not made any official announcements. All of the information is still rumors, speculation, and wishful thinking.

:)

[AnuCrv]

that protype looks hot. Love IT

[mk23666]

Sure looks like the "spy shot" images and drawings that have been attributed to the 2007 CR-V:

http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2006/04/12/HON2006041228181_pv.jpg

http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2006/04/12/HON2006041228620_pv.jpg

:D

That is the Acura MDX not the Honda CRV.

[mk23666]

My photoshop correction ... note the smaller grill

[mk23666]

Looks like we have a fair idea how it will look:

http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/tmb/10908_ZHPHCXYBRRMDO.jpg

I for one am rather disappointed. I was hoping for something a lot more truck-like. It seems it's off-road ability is being compromised.

http://www.thecarconnection.com/Enthusiasts/Spy_Shots/Spy_Shots_2007_Honda_CR-V.S178.A10364.html

I too was looking for something a little more 1st gen looking ... maybe even almost Passport sized/shaped exterior and Honda styled interior and engine.

[AnuCrv]

it looks like a mini X5 and thats not a bad thing. bulging fender wells. muscular looks. the CRV is heading in the right direction. all it needs now is a dual exhaust

[Racoon]

:::sigh::::

It's still just rumors, speculation, and wishful thinking.

JM2C

[bravoman]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg

latest spyshot from the net

[OSX2000]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg

latest spyshot from the net
Judges?

http://homepage.mac.com/osx2000/.Public/forumpics/smilies/ugly.gif http://homepage.mac.com/osx2000/.Public/forumpics/smilies/ugly.gif http://homepage.mac.com/osx2000/.Public/forumpics/smilies/ugly.gif http://homepage.mac.com/osx2000/.Public/forumpics/smilies/ugly.gif

[Racoon]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg

There is some resemblance to the RDX...


http://us.tnpv.net/pv/2006/04/12/HON2006041230399_pv.jpg




of course it's all rumors and speculation. Still.

:D

[sleeksilver]

Lets hope it's just a photoshop or something because that front end is UGLY. :shock:

[WestTexan]

We can hope that Racoon is right about speculation and wishful thinking. That body design is nice, if not predictable. But, that front end looks like it was designed by committee! yuck :shock:

[AnuCrv]

the front makes you squint a little. but compared to the G2, its a mjor step up. The rest of the V's Lines is masculine. loving it IF its a true design

[Robert]

Looks like a photoshopped RDX. Too fake for me.

[AoS]

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg

There is some resemblance to the RDX...

I'm pretty sure the CR-V photoshop was made from this RDX picture:
http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060109AcuraRDX/image/01.jpg

Btw, here's another spy shot of the real 2007 CR-V :D
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-747094-48549/a.jpg

[Racoon]

Btw, here's another spy shot of the real 2007 CR-V :D
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-747094-48549/a.jpg
Well, it's a spyshot of something. We don't even know for sure if it's a Honda, and won't until Honda releases official pictures of the 2007 CR-V.

JM2C

[Varmint]

For what it's worth, the rendering with the (hideous) grill is accurate in every way when compared with the spy pictures we've seen. Look at the front bumper, the cladding, the windows (under the masking), the sideview mirrors, the door handles, the antenna, the rims... I could go on.

The question is not whether or not the image is a photochop. It most certainly is. The question is whether or not the artist correctly captured what the vehicle looks like. Given how many similarities there are with the photographs (which are real), I would say the artist got the rendering right.

The only thing we can reasonably question is whether the rendering depicts the JDM CR-V or not. The guy who posted the rendering translated the article and claims they mention different grills for different markets.

[etc]

http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-747094-48549/a.jpg

sooo what have we got here...
ground clearence? with that hanging belly i say 17 centimeters at best :lol:
going up... whats up with the side stripes? you can see they are hining something...
the fog lights openings are clearly seen for the first time
those rear lights surely seem suspicious, no? :lol:
i mean the two red dots... is there anything behind that makeup? maybe not :roll:
very poor job on that mask btw - what has been mentioned before is clearly seen here too
that rear pillar is way too rounded - see the line behind "B"?
all we could hope now is that its a real beast... i mean if not why chain it? :lol:

[norsepanda]

For what it's worth, the rendering with the (hideous) grill is accurate in every way when compared with the spy pictures we've seen. Look at the front bumper, the cladding, the windows (under the masking), the sideview mirrors, the door handles, the antenna, the rims... I could go on.
...


well, as long as we're commenting and speculalting, i'll state:
1. the rims don't match, 6 vs 7 spokes, so the artist ain't that good.
2. i prefer the window outline shown in the spy photo, as it's masked. the underlying window is too rounded for my tastes.

[mrtn]

1. the rims don't match, 6 vs 7 spokes, so the artist ain't that good.


7 vs 7 spokes.

[JustinTime]

Here you have a PhotoShoped version of the spy pic...

Guys, you are looking at the 2007 CR-V. Whether you like it or not, this is it! Still no real pics of the front. So don't worry about that fugly double-grill doctored pic.

http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-748480-48690/a.jpg

[MentalFusion20]

I don't know. Usually Honda vehicles have similar motifs throughout their styling. I don't see any resemblance to any Honda. It really looks like the Saab SUV, with the pointed taillights and all.

[norsepanda]

1. the rims don't match, 6 vs 7 spokes, so the artist ain't that good.


7 vs 7 spokes.

we must be looking at different pictures. the picture at top of this page, quoted by bravoman definitely has only 6 spokes.

[etc]

bing - the thing is there are so many sources already...

http://crvclub.nm.ru/foto/honda_crv_2007.jpg
http://www.hondasuv.com/main2/files/pmx0206newcar001_large.jpg
http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/5433/crv0kl.jpg
http://img486.imageshack.us/img486/507/crv29dt.jpg
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6930/crv37rk.jpg
http://img460.imageshack.us/img460/5397/crv9tz.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/400/crv1.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv2.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv3.0.jpg
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/hon2_450.jpg
http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gallery/10908_ZHPHCXYBRRMDO.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg
http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-747094-48549/a.jpg

[AoS]

Here you have a PhotoShoped version of the spy pic...

Guys, you are looking at the 2007 CR-V. Whether you like it or not, this is it! Still no real pics of the front. So don't worry about that fugly double-grill doctored pic.

http://forums.autoweek.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/31-32352-748480-48690/a.jpg
I like it like that 8)

[Racoon]

bing - the thing is there are so many sources already...
Anyone who agrees with this view should go back into the archives and read all the speculation about the 2nd Gen 2002 CR-V before it was released.

JM2C


And it's not real until Honda says so.

:P

[JustinTime]

Where did this one come from? had not seen it before...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/hon2_450.jpg

[pkjoeller]

From German top auto magazine 'auto, motor und sport'

Drawing made by Mark Stehrenberger

[JustinTime]

From German top auto magazine 'auto, motor und sport'

Drawing made by Mark Stehrenberger

Well, tha one illustration looks HOT!

[Racoon]

Well, tha one illustration looks HOT!
It's not significantly different than this one...

http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3545/557/1600/crv.jpg

Which, IMO, is ugly.

JM2C

[etc]

racoon - please - could you guide me to the threads of cr-v 2 gen spy shots?

[WestTexan]

racoon - please - could you guide me to the threads of cr-v 2 gen spy shots?

Yes, please. I couldn't find them either, even after a thorough search. Are then in an archive somewhere since they'd be about 4-5 years old?

[Varmint]

Where did this one come from? had not seen it before...

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/sixcms/media.php/76/hon2_450.jpg

For what it's worth, the rendering from TOV (the one in beige) is supposed to show the Japanese version of the nose. According to the guy who translated the article, another "more bland" grill is supposed to appear on the North American model. The rendering quoted above is supposed to be the grill for NA.

[shahram72]

I hope it's not the case that the bland version is for NA. Do they think it'll be preferred here? I guess this will be the 07 version of unpainted bumpers that should be painted. I sure hope it has the grille, as it needs it there to look like a normal car. Maybe we'll be lucky and able to order the grille and add it. Unless that separation is there. Guess we'll have to wait and see.